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Bush Is to Propose Broad New Powers in Domestic Security
The New York Times ^
| 07/16/2002
| ELIZABETH BECKER
Posted on 07/15/2002 9:03:38 PM PDT by Pokey78
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posted on
07/15/2002 9:03:38 PM PDT
by
Pokey78
To: Pokey78
"No, Senator, we're not," Mr. Rumsfeld replied. "We're not looking for any long-term or short-term change with respect to Posse Comitatus." No, "we" want it to stay on the books just as it is. We just want carte blanche to ignore it when "we" feel like it. I mean, our guys will be in power forever, right?
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posted on
07/15/2002 9:09:36 PM PDT
by
m1911
To: Pokey78
""the threat of catastrophic terrorism requires a thorough review of the laws permitting the military to act within the United States in order to determine whether domestic preparedness and response efforts would benefit from greater involvement of military personnel, and if so how." "Share appropriate intelligence and help to secure our borders.
That fits within the present Posse Commitatas.
Review it all you want- learn it well!
Cause you and congress will have a long row to how to change it.
BTW: This NYT press-girlie doesn't like President Bush much does she?
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posted on
07/15/2002 9:11:17 PM PDT
by
mrsmith
To: mrsmith
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posted on
07/15/2002 9:13:38 PM PDT
by
TLBSHOW
To: mrsmith
but I see no sane reason to change posse commitatus.
A large conventional military force is totally asymettrical against a few skulking terrorists. It's not like they're going to take a city and hold out or something. This makes no sense. A battalion would only be useful against citizens. Can't anyone figure there might have been a Reason for passing Posse Commitatus in the first place?
To: TLBSHOW
"We need to know who is coming into our country, why they're coming into our country, and whether or not they're leaving our country when they say they're going to be leaving our country," Bush said.And when we know, what will we do? Wouldn't it be simpler and safer to limit the amount of people immigrating to this country until we at least know who's here now? Oops, sorry, maybe I was being too logical...
To: Pokey78
There will be a speech Tuesday (tomorrow) and we will see how close the NY Slimes is to what the truth is. Probably about 50%, about what you would get by flipping a coin.
To: Pokey78
A determined enemy will be stopped by nothing but wiping him out first. Our border offers a smorgasbord of ways to sneak in... anything that can hide a man. And even if our borders consisted of totally unbreachable walls, we could not stop something from being brewed within our borders short of confining everybody in a rubber room.
How much luck has Israel had at putting an end to suicide bombers, short of pre-emptively stomping on the source of the problem?
To: bloggerjohn
And even this NYT democrat can't say that they are trying to change it- much as she would like to.
I'll wait for the actual report, if all it says is they are reviewing it- fine.
Any debate about it will just show it's strength and publicize it ( 90% of the US probably doesn't even know it exists).
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posted on
07/15/2002 9:29:50 PM PDT
by
mrsmith
To: m1911
No, "we" want it to stay on the books just as it is. We just want carte blanche to ignore it when "we" feel like it. I mean, our guys will be in power forever, right? Yep the next DEM POTUS is gonna have a field day with all the new abuses of power this administration has dreamed up and made a way for. The sad part is the GOP by allowing it is taking away any arguement to stop it once the beast is out of the box. When GWB goes out of office and when a DEM goes in the sheeple will realize just how much they have allowed government to take over. Then it may be too late. How can they cry foul when they cheered it on for all the years Bush was in office setting it up? Never ever pass any new law or create any new government position or office without first considering seriouslly the dangers it holds and leads too in our nations future.
To: Pokey78
¶Establish national standards for state driver's licenses.What the heck is this all about? Are we really to believe that a terrorist gives a hoot whether or not they are driving with a valid drivers license? What about illegal immigrants...they don't have drivers licenses...sounds Orwellian to me.
¶Increase inspections of international shipping containers before they leave foreign ports and as they cross United States borders.
Hmmm, it seems that Bush didn't have a problem easing restrictions on trucks coming into America from Mexico, ironic...
To: bloggerjohn
This makes no sense.No, generally it doesn't. The only way I see it making sense is if it all about keeping troops on the borders....ready for illegals and invasion type of activity, jmo.
To: Pokey78
Maybe it's just late, but.....
this is disturbing.
A full inventory? of all "critical" private property?
and a secret plan to protect it?
$100 Billion that will not come from the "federal budget"?
A new "patriotic" tax on everyone, "off the books" of course.....
This has got to be a sick joke.....
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posted on
07/15/2002 9:46:52 PM PDT
by
WhiteGuy
To: cva66snipe
ditto bump
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posted on
07/15/2002 10:04:34 PM PDT
by
the crow
To: Pokey78
I like the national standard on driver's licenses, some of this is really good, but how about cutting off the faucet on immigration? A sensible solution, no immigrants or visa vistors from terrorist nations period.
And uphold the Posse Comitatus, if the military can be used to protect borders in the Balkins, but not in their own country, then they have no business running American streets.
To: cva66snipe
When GWB goes out of office and when a DEM goes in the sheeple will realize just how much they have allowed government to take over. Then it may be too late.What makes you think these new excesses of power will only become dangerous in Democrat hands?
Naivety?
To: Hardy Harhar
What makes you think these new excesses of power will only become dangerous in Democrat hands? Nah, all will abuse power. The GOP , Dems, Constitution Party, Libertarians, Reform, Greenes, ect. That's the way I feel about it. None are above corruption that power tempts them with.
It's a charge to We The People to make certain those we elect are worthy to hold office and if they fail in their oath it's our duty to punish them by withdrawling support {votes} to them.
To: Hardy Harhar
Now I hope that those who call me Bush Basher will understand where I come from. I don't think I left out anyone's party but perhaps the Communist Party which goes without saying is the end to freedom.
To: Pokey78
These teams would act like terrorists and plot attacks on vulnerable new targets in the country so that means of preventing such attacks can be devised.
What kind of nonsense is this? Could it be tin foil hat stuff, nah.
To: cva66snipe
This is some scary stuff. I see it as doing nothing but increasing GOVERNMENT POWER over the citizens of the USA. If they cared about terrorists, they would guard the borders, or increase the border patrol, both internally and on the border. As it now stands, they're letting the whole world come in, and are still allowing visas for middle easterners. These actions speak loud.
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