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Chinese fixated on winning war against US via "assassin's mace."
U.S.-China Commission ^ | 7/15/2002 | Richard D'Amato

Posted on 07/15/2002 3:24:20 PM PDT by sam_paine

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Statement by Chairman Richard D’Amato

U.S. Capitol, July 15, 2002

Thank you for coming this morning. I will make brief remarks, as will Vice Chairman Michael Ledeen, then answer your questions.

This is the Commission’s first annual report to the Congress. Congress directed us to look at the wide scope of the U.S.-China bilateral economic and trade relationship, with a focus on its national security implications. We spent the last year holding hearings, engaging in original research and conducting meetings to serve as the eyes and ears of Congress. We have tried to augment Senators’ and members’ understanding of this complicated, big and growing relationship between the US and China, its dangers, trends, opportunities, and particularly its unknowns.

This is a bipartisan product, the results of a broad agreement among nearly all of the Commissioners, a highly varied group of people who put fresh eyes on this subject, and approved the Report by a vote of 11-1. I want to commend Vice Chairman Ledeen for his work and support in this effort, and thank all Commissioners, most of whom are in this room, for their hard work and creative diligence.

This is an educational report and an action document. Each chapter highlights findings and makes recommendations which flow from those findings. The Executive summary gives the key 21 recommendations, but you will find many others at the end of each chapter.

We have copies available of our entire hearing record, and a two volume set of our documentary annex -- original research and original translations of Chinese materials. We also have released an original survey research study done at the University of Maryland, which documents Chinese media treatment of the U.S. from various perspectives.

We found that U.S. policy toward China has been and is fragmented, lacking consistency and depth. It has often been driven solely by commercial interests, or by specific human rights issues, or by a particular military crisis – rather than by a comprehensive examination of all the issues which impact this relationship. Furthermore, over the last 30 years it has been dominated by strong Executive branch personalities and compulsive secrecy. We lack a sustainable consensus on the fundamental national interests of the U.S. among our elected leadership, particularly between the President and Congress. We think the nation is poorly served by this shortcoming, and it needs to be corrected, particularly as China grows in economic and military power, and the U.S. plays a substantial role in propelling that rise in power.

We are also very concerned over the serious differences in the perceptions held by each country of the other, lacking agreed-upon goals, core values and shared agendas. The potential for miscommunications and serious misunderstandings is apparent. It is compounded by a dismal failure, despite long American efforts, to establish bilateral institutions for confidence building, threat reduction, and crisis management.

Let me call your attention to several unique aspects of our report:

Chapter 1 on conflicting national perspectives opens the report because we think it sets the framework which needs understanding and attention by the Congress.

We think that Chinese strategic thinking that we have documented in this chapter is cause for concern. The Chinese leadership appears to be fixated on so-called asymmetrical warfare, or silver bullets, surprise weaponry and tactics they call assassin’s mace. We worry that they may be mesmerized by a self-deception that they can prevail in military scenarios with the U.S. on the cheap through such surprise strategies.

These perceptions problems are accompanied, in our view, by the steadfast refusal of the Chinese leadership to engage us constructively on the matter of building effective bilateral confidence building institutions and procedures. We are encouraging the Administration to make renewed attempts to build such institutions.

We go to some lengths to make numerous recommendations designed to enhance U.S. better understanding and knowledge of China and Chinese materials in the U.S. We recommend rebuilding the Library of Congress China collection, new national education language and area studies grants programs similar to the NDEA programs of the past, new efforts at open source collection by the intelligence community and an upgrading of the FBIS, Federal Broadcast Information Service. We know too little about China’s intentions, what they are communicating to their own people, and to us, and we need a far better level of effort.

In Chapters 2, 3, 6 and 7 we document the growing, and very unbalanced economic relationship. We have a huge $80+ billion trade deficit, large flows of investment, R&D, private and public technology to China, as well as substantial funding from U.S. capital markets. U.S. exports of goods to China remain stagnant, while China’s exports to the U.S. are exploding. Our primary exports to China are our manufacturing capacity, R&D, and investment capital, not goods – and we differ in important ways with Europe in this area. The Chinese are dependent in substantial ways on U.S. economic flows. The impacts of this flow of resources on our national industrial base and national security is poorly documented. It needs careful monitoring.

Our report calls for increased scrutiny of corporate activities in China, and a new corporate reporting system as to what investment, R&D and technology is being sent to China.

We are also concerned over China’s impact on other Asian economies, particularly the Japanese, but also ASEAN and Taiwan, and call for fuller consultations between the U.S. and our Asian friends and allies on the consequences of this phenomenon for our mutual relations.

Also there is a unique presentation in the Capital markets area (Chapter 6); a renewed call for more effective consultations and consensus building between the President and Congress on Taiwan policy (Chap 8). We are recommending refashioning the American toolbox of incentives and disincentives to enhance American leverage and encourage the Chinese to comply with their commitments -- in proliferation practices, prison labor agreement enforcement, IPR enforcement, and most importantly, with their far-reaching obligations under the WTO.

We have proposed new American assistance programs to help China come into compliance in the WTO and build a working rule of law system in China – the success or failure of this I believe is the most important benchmark of progress as this commission’s work proceeds.

The final chapter includes a series of recommendations for future Commission work, and those recommendations have now been incorporated in next years legislative appropriations bill. As you will see, they focus on proliferation, the full range and impacts of economic transfers to China, use of U.S. capital markets, corporate reporting, WTO compliance, and Asian regional impacts.

A number of our recommendations have already been communicated to Congress, and several of them have already been acted upon or are being seriously considered as we speak.

In concluding, one might ask our position on the policy we call "constructive engagement." My view is that if constructive engagement is to have any meaning or content beyond a superficial catchphrase, and be a sound basis for the refashioning of U.S. policy on a more coherent basis, it will have to become a real two-way street, not the sound of one hand clapping.

In sum, we are looking for Chinese willingness to take steps to develop relations not susceptible to constant surprise, where the common ground is expanded and understood, open and transparent, and where cooperation and a positive atmosphere is nurtured. As yet, we do not see these things happening.

Vice Chairman Ledeen.


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To: Don Joe
Did you know, a panel of expert scholars, who have studied China for years and years, have degrees up the wazoo, some former ambassadors to China, and have lived in China for years and years...all came to a consensus based on years of scholarship.

It was unanimous at least on the core issues and in general. Yet they "lost their minds" and "don't like China" because "China is 'capitalist' ".

The problem is not that China is 'capitalist' which it is not, that is a buzz word. The problem is that China is full of @sses who want to take things military in order to keep their feudalism going.

81 posted on 07/16/2002 7:12:45 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Don Joe
EVERYTHING (according the AIG) hinges on whether China is 'capitalist' or not. If China is 'capitalist' nothing else can be said about it.
82 posted on 07/16/2002 7:15:57 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Don Joe
Me: China has 500 missiles aimed at Taiwan and threatens to sink aircraft carriers. They also threaten to nuke LA. I think a missile sheild might be a good idea, as would caution be in order in the situation.

AIG: You don't like China because we are capitalist. The US is never satisfied.

83 posted on 07/16/2002 7:19:29 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: spetznaz
"...Shvkal 2 Hypercavitating Rocket torpedo,
which travels underwater in an 'envelop' of gases at speeds 4-5 times faster than anything we have..."
# 15 by spetznaz

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If the hypercavitating "envelope of gasses" can increase a torpedoes' speed that much, I predict that a submarine propulsion drive will be developed from the same hypercavitating technology.

84 posted on 07/16/2002 7:41:17 AM PDT by exodus
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To: PhilDragoo
Thanks for the link.
85 posted on 07/16/2002 7:54:54 AM PDT by honway
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To: Vigilanteman
I have an NSA coffee mug at home stamped "Made in China" on the bottom.
86 posted on 07/16/2002 8:24:54 AM PDT by mdconvervative
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To: Map Kernow
The Japanese, under a nutty dictatorship 60 years ago, even today strike me as being leaps and bounds more effective and efficient than the current Chinese leadership. I'm still waiting for their manned space program to have a horrific accident, or their Three Gorges Dam to fall apart.

As long as the Chinese are fighting close-in to their waters, and even as far out as Taiwan, they have many advantages. Talking about them doing anything projecting force farther away than that (such as to the Western Hemisphere) leaves me highly skeptical.

I still hope that in the end we will be able to use their powers for self-delusion against them. We will have to take the first hit, a la Pearl Harbor or September 11th, because they will be ready to strike first. Once we have a bloody nose I feel we will have the advantage.

How's this for assymetric warfare - plant a Chinese special agent in the kitchen of every U.S. Chinese restaurant coast to coast, to poison all the take out?

American society is the only thing that can hold us back from victory against a real war with the Chinese dictatorship, because whether they know it yet or not we are on the side of the Chinese people.

87 posted on 07/16/2002 8:35:00 AM PDT by ReveBM
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To: belmont_mark
Ping to #15.
88 posted on 07/16/2002 9:21:11 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: kezekiel
"It's disgraceful how our corporations are falling all over themselves exporting our production...to that ugly regime."

I can't believe it either. It's like watching lemmings going over a cliff.

William Safire speculated once that Russia was developing its "free economy" in order to tax it and build up its military. I'm sure that is exactly what China is doing. They will not "expropriate" these milk cows, at least not their own.

I heard once a report about a brewery that tried to expand to China. They failed because they couldn't compete with extant, state subsidized breweries. I think they got out wih around 10 cents for every dollar they invested. China got a turnkey operation for next to nothing. I wonder how many investments have turned out similarly?

Silver lining to this scenario? Maybe its time to develop Japan, and sweeten up to Vietnam. I'm not a believer in the "Coca Cola Diplomacy" of the rabid free traders, but the people in China are expecting, demanding more. At some point the tin-hats are going to have to do something. They might cash in their chips, if we keep them hemmed up while insuring a comfortable retirement option.

There's no justice in diplomacy is there?
89 posted on 07/16/2002 9:48:32 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
The primary purpose of having a defense is deterrence. If deterrence fails, regardless of whether we ultimately prevail, we will have lost. We will have lost millions of American lives (including you, or someone you care about). We will have lost our security.

Excellent post. Almost every time in the last 100 years we've had to go to war, it's because we've been "sucker-punched." In WW I, the Germans assumed that Wilson's 1916 re-election campaign slogan "He kept us out of war" meant that he would avoid war with Germany at all costs, and commenced unrestricted submarine warfare at the start of 1917. The surprise attack at Pearl Harbor sucked us into WW II. Korea was a double "sucker punch": by the North Koreans after they deduced from remarks by Dean Acheson about America's defense perimeter in Asia that we would not defend South Korea, and the second time by the ChiComs who fell on totally unprepared and overextended American forces in late 1950.

The ChiComs are doing us a favor in telegraphing their punch. For the love of God and country, let's be ready to block it this time.

90 posted on 07/16/2002 11:12:29 AM PDT by Map Kernow
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To: sam_paine
In order for China to effectively fight the US military, they're going to have to buy a lot of hardware. Not weapons per se--the Chinese arsenal has weapons that are at the limits of physical destructiveness--but command and control systems. And doing that is going to put the Chinese government in a very uncomfortable position.

The central key to understanding China's army is the rule "The Party controls the gun." There are political officers down to the company or even platoon level, plus unspecified numbers of informants in the ranks.

There will be two unintended side effects to giving the PLA a modern C2 infrastructure.

The first is that signals intelligence systems will allow the unit commander to keep an eye on the Party operatives.

The second is that, in countries without any history of civil governance based on the rule of law, the first units to get the new commo systems tend to get into mischief. The commanding general of the first division to get this stuff tends to get a new job title: "President for Life." His chief of staff gets a promotion to "Defense Minister."

91 posted on 07/16/2002 11:22:53 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: kinghorse
Yes, I can see this happening. I've always thought lawn care services were just a cover for political insurgency groups (PIG). Of course the can be no disputing the goal of the radical outfit Calixo Amarrillo y Beaumont Revolutionary Indian Takeover Operations (CABRITO). Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed now at Taco Bell you have to ask for hot sauce or they won't give you any?

Ponderously unfunny. Not only are you ignorant of the history of US-Mexican relations, you appear to look upon Mexicans as nothing but harmless gardeners and witless taco stuffers.

For those of you who are interested, go to www.aztlan.org for the website of just such a Mexican irredentist organization. For most of you, it will not be an experience to joke about.

92 posted on 07/16/2002 11:23:18 AM PDT by Map Kernow
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To: exodus
The only problem with the Shvkal is that it is not that maneuvrable! It is essentially a 'silver bullet' where a shot is fired by the sub when it notices an immediate and dire threat ...something like a crack shot (some say suicide shot because the first shvkals were armed with nuke warheads and the underwater explosion would also destroy the shooting submarine. Thus it was said it was destined for attacking carrier groups, or maybe killing US hunter-killer subs ....just before you too are destroyed by the shock wave).

However new video from the Russian navy shows a new Shvkal that rushes out at the exceedingly fast speeds, but at the terminal stage slows down and goes into seeker mode. By doing this it will rush at the target so fast that the target will not be able to do any evasive maneuvres, and then at the terminal stage slow down so it can do terminal guidance maneuvres and ensure an impact (after all no matter how fast something that only travels in straight lines is not perfect, thus the terminal guidance would be a huge plus).

As for the 'hypercavitating' submarine i personally do not think that is possible because unlike the torpedo the submarine would be used continuously and inhabited by people. I do not think the structure could withstand repeated stresses of that magnitude.

93 posted on 07/16/2002 2:56:16 PM PDT by spetznaz
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To: All
Visualize.... an Axis.
94 posted on 07/16/2002 4:59:34 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD
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To: Map Kernow
I'm ignorant of nothing. I've known some pretty witty taco stuffers.
95 posted on 07/16/2002 8:21:29 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: spetznaz
"...As for the 'hypercavitating' submarine I personally do not think that is possible because unlike the torpedo the submarine would be used continuously and inhabited by people. I do not think the structure could withstand repeated stresses of that magnitude."
# 93 by spetznaz

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Then I'm right!
There will be a "hypercavitating" submarine.

If they've got a working drive, and the only thing stopping them is a structure strong enough to house the drive, it's just a question of applying engineering to the problem.

One solution I can see would be to build a submarine with heavy bracing reenforcements, more powerful or extra power plants, smaller crews, and high-acceleration chairs.

My science fiction reading is finally paying off!

96 posted on 07/17/2002 12:24:45 AM PDT by exodus
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To: Poohbah
>>There are political officers down to the company or even platoon level, plus unspecified numbers of informants in the ranks.

Also it's up to the political offiers to have the final say, including military decisions.

97 posted on 07/17/2002 10:31:42 AM PDT by Lake
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To: ReveBM
>>we are on the side of the Chinese people.

You can't be on the side of the Chiense people while nuking China.

98 posted on 07/17/2002 10:35:15 AM PDT by Lake
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To: Lake
Right. That only works if the political officer has secure comms with other Party officials--and the latest gee-whiz electronic & information warfare systems can attack ANYBODY's commo, including "friends."
99 posted on 07/17/2002 10:38:37 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: maui_hawaii
>>The problem is that China is full of @sses who want to take things military in order to keep their feudalism going.

You have to understand the Art of War. "Taking things militarily" is not Chinese doctrine.

100 posted on 07/17/2002 10:43:48 AM PDT by Lake
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