Posted on 07/15/2002 3:24:20 PM PDT by sam_paine
It was unanimous at least on the core issues and in general. Yet they "lost their minds" and "don't like China" because "China is 'capitalist' ".
The problem is not that China is 'capitalist' which it is not, that is a buzz word. The problem is that China is full of @sses who want to take things military in order to keep their feudalism going.
AIG: You don't like China because we are capitalist. The US is never satisfied.
"...Shvkal 2 Hypercavitating Rocket torpedo,
which travels underwater in an 'envelop' of gases at speeds 4-5 times faster than anything we have..."
# 15 by spetznaz
If the hypercavitating "envelope of gasses" can increase a torpedoes' speed that much, I predict that a submarine propulsion drive will be developed from the same hypercavitating technology.
As long as the Chinese are fighting close-in to their waters, and even as far out as Taiwan, they have many advantages. Talking about them doing anything projecting force farther away than that (such as to the Western Hemisphere) leaves me highly skeptical.
I still hope that in the end we will be able to use their powers for self-delusion against them. We will have to take the first hit, a la Pearl Harbor or September 11th, because they will be ready to strike first. Once we have a bloody nose I feel we will have the advantage.
How's this for assymetric warfare - plant a Chinese special agent in the kitchen of every U.S. Chinese restaurant coast to coast, to poison all the take out?
American society is the only thing that can hold us back from victory against a real war with the Chinese dictatorship, because whether they know it yet or not we are on the side of the Chinese people.
Excellent post. Almost every time in the last 100 years we've had to go to war, it's because we've been "sucker-punched." In WW I, the Germans assumed that Wilson's 1916 re-election campaign slogan "He kept us out of war" meant that he would avoid war with Germany at all costs, and commenced unrestricted submarine warfare at the start of 1917. The surprise attack at Pearl Harbor sucked us into WW II. Korea was a double "sucker punch": by the North Koreans after they deduced from remarks by Dean Acheson about America's defense perimeter in Asia that we would not defend South Korea, and the second time by the ChiComs who fell on totally unprepared and overextended American forces in late 1950.
The ChiComs are doing us a favor in telegraphing their punch. For the love of God and country, let's be ready to block it this time.
The central key to understanding China's army is the rule "The Party controls the gun." There are political officers down to the company or even platoon level, plus unspecified numbers of informants in the ranks.
There will be two unintended side effects to giving the PLA a modern C2 infrastructure.
The first is that signals intelligence systems will allow the unit commander to keep an eye on the Party operatives.
The second is that, in countries without any history of civil governance based on the rule of law, the first units to get the new commo systems tend to get into mischief. The commanding general of the first division to get this stuff tends to get a new job title: "President for Life." His chief of staff gets a promotion to "Defense Minister."
Ponderously unfunny. Not only are you ignorant of the history of US-Mexican relations, you appear to look upon Mexicans as nothing but harmless gardeners and witless taco stuffers.
For those of you who are interested, go to www.aztlan.org for the website of just such a Mexican irredentist organization. For most of you, it will not be an experience to joke about.
However new video from the Russian navy shows a new Shvkal that rushes out at the exceedingly fast speeds, but at the terminal stage slows down and goes into seeker mode. By doing this it will rush at the target so fast that the target will not be able to do any evasive maneuvres, and then at the terminal stage slow down so it can do terminal guidance maneuvres and ensure an impact (after all no matter how fast something that only travels in straight lines is not perfect, thus the terminal guidance would be a huge plus).
As for the 'hypercavitating' submarine i personally do not think that is possible because unlike the torpedo the submarine would be used continuously and inhabited by people. I do not think the structure could withstand repeated stresses of that magnitude.
"...As for the 'hypercavitating' submarine I personally do not think that is possible because unlike the torpedo the submarine would be used continuously and inhabited by people. I do not think the structure could withstand repeated stresses of that magnitude."
# 93 by spetznaz
Then I'm right!
There will be a "hypercavitating" submarine.
If they've got a working drive, and the only thing stopping them is a structure strong enough to house the drive, it's just a question of applying engineering to the problem.
One solution I can see would be to build a submarine with heavy bracing reenforcements, more powerful or extra power plants, smaller crews, and high-acceleration chairs.
My science fiction reading is finally paying off!
Also it's up to the political offiers to have the final say, including military decisions.
You can't be on the side of the Chiense people while nuking China.
You have to understand the Art of War. "Taking things militarily" is not Chinese doctrine.
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