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Arundel grand jury identifies real culprits in FBI (shooting of innocent young man in(Maryland)
Baltimore Sun ^ | July 14,2002 | Gregory Kane

Posted on 07/15/2002 10:49:20 AM PDT by Donald Stone

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: eno_
Who was the prosecutor?

Andrew C. White

21 posted on 07/15/2002 12:20:24 PM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga
That's Braga's lawyer, who should rot in the same ring of hell. Who tanked to the grand jury?
22 posted on 07/15/2002 12:40:09 PM PDT by eno_
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To: eno_
You're right, I misread it. I dunno who the prosecutor was.
23 posted on 07/15/2002 12:42:44 PM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: Henrietta
They will indict a ham sandwich if the DA wants it, and will turn loose a murderer if the DA tells them to. It appears that is what happened in this case.

uhhh, except for the fact that nobody died in this case...
24 posted on 07/15/2002 12:43:22 PM PDT by dmz
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To: ArrogantBustard
Mr. Kane is remarkably intelligent and articulate. I've never understood why the Bawl'mer Sun continues to employ his services as a columnist.
Kane is very solid, pretty much a conservative. If he's bothered, his concerns should not be dismissed on the basis of his race (which some no doubt will do).

This is Baltimore though, the land of governors like Spendenning, mayors like Schmoke and O'Malley, candidates who say "Vote for me because I look like you", and even sports owners like Angelos and modell.

-Eric

25 posted on 07/15/2002 12:46:02 PM PDT by E Rocc
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To: Maelstrom
You've got it wrong. They finally found a lifeform lower than the criminals. It is comprised of LEO's, and prison guards!
26 posted on 07/15/2002 12:46:13 PM PDT by advocate10
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To: OBAFGKM
Seems to me that the grand jury simply determined that there was no basis for a criminal charge. I.e., if they had returned an indictment, the defense could have easily shot it down in court.

On the other hand, with so many local prosecutions of civilians who accidentally shoot another (or prosecution of the parent when the shooter is a minor), this smells like a double standard to me. Then again, there is so much variation amongst prosecutors - maybe this one would not try to indict a civvie who accidentally shot his buddy, let's say, while showing him his newest gun.

27 posted on 07/15/2002 12:46:35 PM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: from occupied ga
"I was under armed guard."

That's the way they WANT it. They'd better hurry. Things might move faster than they counted on.

28 posted on 07/15/2002 12:48:31 PM PDT by rdavis84
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To: Donald Stone
It's a waste of time for the Grand Jury to indict, if the presecutor is not interested in prosecuting. If it goes to trial, the prosecution would just "take a dive" and deliberately lose the case
29 posted on 07/15/2002 12:49:01 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: OBAFGKM
On the other hand, seems to me that the police department and Special Agent Bragga are wide open to a humongous civil settlement.

I'm not certain, but I think Federal agents have personal immunity in such cases. As for the police dept., the burden of any civil award will be passed on to the taxpayer.

30 posted on 07/15/2002 12:50:28 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Henrietta; white trash redneck
"Based on what I read in the news, there was definitely cause to indict this guy."

I guess we'll never know what went on during the grand jury, but I would think they might have a hard time with criminal intent in returning an indictment. It's unreasonable to suppose that the agent meant to commit an assault, so the indictment would hang on whether he was reckless. I wonder if the grand jury might have seen a video of the incident and concluded that he did not appear to be reckless?

31 posted on 07/15/2002 12:57:14 PM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: Donald Stone
Bull Sh@$ - I'm mad as hell and I ain't gonna take it no more! Baltimore residents should demand that this shooter be arrested and tried just like the criminal he is. Prosecutors are elected and can be unelected.
32 posted on 07/15/2002 1:14:37 PM PDT by sandydipper
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To: OBAFGKM
so the indictment would hang on whether he was reckless. I wonder if the grand jury might have seen a video of the incident and concluded that he did not appear to be reckless?

I agree that there did not appear to be intent to shoot, and that an indictment would hinge on negligence. I would maintain that if you point a gun at somebody and shoot them, then:

1) you intended to shoot him (not the case here),

2) there was a mechanical problem with the gun causing it to go off without the trigger being pulled (pretty unlikely - if this were the case, I'm sure the government would have publicized it, since it would get their agent off the hook), or

3) you negligently pulled the trigger.

One of Jeff Cooper's four rules of gun safety is to keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target. Remember the picture of the JBT with the subgun when the government took Elian Gonzales from his family in Miami? Regardless of how you feel about the justification for that raid, the picture showed the gunman's trigger finger extended straight along the receiver (i.e. not curled around the trigger). If the FBI goon had done likewise, this young man would not have gotten shot. Hopefully a multimillion dollar judgement will prod the FBI into teaching its agents a little elementary firearm safety (not to mention some courtesy for the taxpayer who pay their salaries and who they are supposed to protect).

33 posted on 07/15/2002 1:14:56 PM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: Donald Stone
FBI Special Agent Christopher Braga a U.S citized?
34 posted on 07/15/2002 1:15:29 PM PDT by PatriotReporter
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To: OBAFGKM

35 posted on 07/15/2002 1:16:05 PM PDT by an amused spectator
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Ping
36 posted on 07/15/2002 1:17:09 PM PDT by P7M13
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To: OBAFGKM
Let's see if I have this right:

1. An regular US citizen shot by an law enforcement officer for no apparent reason and there is no charge to even take to a jury.

2. A homosexual is killed by someone's dog and that person is charged with and convicted by a jury of second degree murder.

Yep this is a really interesting. I wonder if the dog in SF had killed a regular US Citizen and the cop in MD had shot a homosexual, the the case that was charged would not have been and the case that was no billed would have been charged?
37 posted on 07/15/2002 1:20:09 PM PDT by JLS
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To: E Rocc
Kane is very solid, pretty much a conservative.

Indeed. I usually agree with him. He doesn't fit in with the socialist bent of the Bawl'mer Sun (BS: Is it a coincidence?) very well. I'm glad they carry him, though. He writes well. Maybe he's the token conservative, like Adrienne T. Washington is the token liberal at the Washington Times...

AB

38 posted on 07/15/2002 1:20:54 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: Maelstrom; Joe Brower; wardaddy; harpseal; Squantos; PatrioticAmerican; big ern; MileHi; m1911; ...
1st class citizen shoots 2nd class citizen...I'm surprised a grand jury was deemed necessary.

Samurai First Class of the Shogun shoots expendable Peasant Fourth Class.

Charge the uppity peasant for the ammunition to teach him a lesson!

Give the Samurai a medal, to commend him for his swift reactions, which might someday be required to defend the Shogun!

39 posted on 07/15/2002 1:24:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
I think a Hero Medal for the "agent" would be fitting. Maybe have a multiple award ceremony for ALL of the Heros. Fly in Lon Horuchi from where he's hiding, plus all of the Heros of Waco too.

Won't it be magnificent? All those Heros together in one place?

40 posted on 07/15/2002 1:33:44 PM PDT by rdavis84
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