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So far, the GOP is not giving conservatives reasons to vote on November 5th
Enter Stage Right ^ | July 15, 2002 | Paul M. Weyrich

Posted on 07/15/2002 10:28:18 AM PDT by gordgekko

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To: sheltonmac
The real problem with Republicans is that they have no idea of how to wage a war of ideas.

I see the real problem with the republican party as being that they have no ideas except those they share in common with the democrats. Their politicians in office certainly have no principles they're willing to risk their place at the tit to stand up for.

The republicans have already taken far too many tips from the democrats. They have already become what they pretended to oppose, thus the unwillingness to keep up the pretense of opposition any longer. They have a president in office who is openly working to merge the two parties in Congress. What are they supposed to fight against, when they've been enacting the agenda of the opposition anyway?

When republicans have "the bully pulpit" they mostly worry that they had better not use it to advance conservative principles because they might then have to actually behave as conservatives. That would make most of them have a nervous breakdown.

401 posted on 07/17/2002 5:34:51 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: sheltonmac
My point is that the GOP is no longer the party of the Constitution.

No longer? They never have been and never will be the party of the Constitution. I guess you're forgetting that the 14th amendment is a gift from the republicans, as is the 15th. One gives us federal power over the states in areas never granted by the original Constitution and the next gives us unbridled vote fraud to be used by whichever party is most willing to employ it. Currently that's the democrats but the republicans were the first to use it on a national scale.

Concerned voters have turned to the GOP for conservative leadership since 1865,

No, in fact most conservative Americans never even considered the GOP an alternative until after Carter. The only real difference between the GOP and the democrats is that the democrat party was once a conservative party a long time ago, while the GOP never has been, even when most of the conservative voters in the country started to vote republican in large numbers beginning with Reagan .

402 posted on 07/17/2002 5:51:09 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: habs4ever
*Yawn* Were you talking to me, Jethro??

Yes I was talking to you. I see why you won't answer my question: "Which republican are you going to vote for?" because you are a Canadian who can't vote in our elections legally.

I appreciate your interest in the politics of our country, but you aren't a citizen and your opinions count for nothing with me. The day that I start telling you who you should vote for in Toronto is the day you can run your mouth about my business.

Take off, eh?

403 posted on 07/17/2002 6:01:38 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: College Repub
The Republicans have ignored conservative and libertarian voters far too long. If they want my vote in 2002 and 2004, they'll need to meet my standards for minimum acceptable behavior.

This could include several of the following: Begin deployment of SDI. Show stronger support for Taiwan. Prevent Americans from having to face the International Criminal Court. Stop cluelessly and rapaciously devouring our freedom with idiotic anti-terrorist legislation ... most won't not help security. Proceed with criminal investigations of Hillary. Defund PBS and the CPB. Prevent renewal of the Brady Bill and Assault Rifle ban in 2004. Stop any anti-gunshow legislation. End any participation in Global Warming treaties unless there's scientific proof. Apply RICO to prevent unions from taking money from their members for political purposes.

These issues barely show up on Congressional Republicans' radar. At best, they give lip service to the things I care about. Why do they deserve my support?

Will the Republicans ever learn to play hardball with their enemies, rather than their friends?
404 posted on 07/17/2002 6:06:43 AM PDT by xdem
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To: rdb3
Anyone else want to play? Step on up to the plate.....

.....he quavered, with his bloody nose and his butt kicked raw. ahaha

405 posted on 07/17/2002 6:07:08 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Deb
You fringe-dwellers can't even elect dog catchers. Yeah, you're a huge, awesome force.

We elected Reagan twice and handed the GOP a majority in both houses. Post the number of GOP party members and compare that to the number of votes cast for the GOP in those elections. Surely you don't think that your fellow koolaid drinkers were a hundred million staunch party members in those elections who suddenly died or switched parties in the elections your liberals lost since Reagan left office. Well, maybe you do, you're not exactly grounded in fact, are you?

And being politically impotent has sure made you humorless. I wanna care what you think. I try to care what you think...I just don't.

Let's see who's impotent in November, shall we? I almost give a rat's patoot what you care about. You're just words on a screen to me. What I care about is my country and the politicians you support are intent on handing it over to the people they pretend to oppose at election time.

Wave from the fringe every once in awhile.

I'll try to remember to wave at you folks once you merge with the democrats, but I'll probably be too busy trying to keep you from stealing elections. W is going to team you up with the Clintonoids, and you'll be shaking your pompoms for Hillary! once she's on your team.

406 posted on 07/17/2002 6:19:07 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
Your business, eh?? Hey, Goober, my Business is based in your country, a place that taxes me for my industry, so I will run my mouth about the level of taxation and other assorted things whether a fool such as yourself likes it or not.

As if you think think one's location makes a difference where one's thinking is concerned.For all I know, you could be in Havana, for all the intelligence you exhibit.But when faced with a ferener, well, dem just the nastiest creatures goin' and we best shoot 'em first Pa...

You are also under the false impression that I care what you utter.Wrongo!! So, why not come clean and tell me which party raises your blood temperature and gives that warm, sweet feeling you get, like when you pee in your bed at night???
407 posted on 07/17/2002 6:26:38 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Deb
You aren't even on the playing field (fortunately).

We aren't on the same team, for sure. Wait and see who takes the field when your team merges with the "opposition".

408 posted on 07/17/2002 6:27:48 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
Another delusional post from you in #406.When you can gain a few State senators, then maybe win a Governorship, then maybe have a block of seats in Congress, then maybe the less intelligent of us will finally take an interest in your moanings and advice.

Face it, double D man, you are a phantom and so are your legions of followers, the rag tag bunch of losers, blowhards, misfits and depressives.Let us know when you're bunch can organize a car wash, let alone be a viable alternative to what is currently on the menu.

409 posted on 07/17/2002 6:33:29 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: habs4ever
Your business, eh?? Hey, Goober, my Business is based in your country, a place that taxes me for my industry, so I will run my mouth about the level of taxation and other assorted things whether a fool such as yourself likes it or not.

Gripe about taxes all you like, but you're a foreigner who is getting access to our economy, so don't presume to involve yourself in our politics. I resent it when the Red Chinese do it and I resent it when you do it as well.

As if you think think one's location makes a difference where one's thinking is concerned.

I know for a fact that one's citizenship makes a difference in whether or not he has the standing to insinuate himself into my nation's business. I don't listen to Mexicans urging reconquista. Why should I listen to a Canadian posing as a republican? You can't vote here, so stop pretending you have any say.

You are also under the false impression that I care what you utter.Wrongo!! So, why not come clean and tell me which party raises your blood temperature and gives that warm, sweet feeling you get, like when you pee in your bed at night???

You're delusional. I'm under no such impression. In fact, I don't give a tin-plated turd whether you care what I say or not. You don't get any answers to your pointless questions from me. You aren't an American, so our electoral politics are none of your business, get it? Form opinions if you like, but don't presume to shove your ideas in the faces of Americans and expect to be given the same attention one of us gets from our fellow citizens. Also, don't try voting down here, boy. If you're caught doing it, you could go to prison.

410 posted on 07/17/2002 6:51:00 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: habs4ever
Another delusional post from you in #406.When you can gain a few State senators, then mayb....

And, blah-blah-blah from someone who has no standing to comment. Move here and apply for citizenship, habsie. You won't get the same treatment from the Bush administration that a penniless, monolingual Mexican would get, but you could try for citizenship, then comment on our politics once you're a citizen and a registered voter. Until then, please go talk to someone who cares what you think.

411 posted on 07/17/2002 6:56:38 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Deb
I'll keep my lips pressed firmly against GWB's sweet patut because that's where I want it. Thanks for the affirmation.

There are lots of "Lewinskis" around.

That must be the difference between Democrats and Republicans that everyone around here keeps talking about. Which side they are kneeling on, front or back. LOL

412 posted on 07/17/2002 7:00:30 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Twodees
What goes on in the US is none of my business? Thanks.I'll file that missive in the toilet bowl, where it belongs.Guess, what?? I'm coming south soon, may even look for property near you.If you're good, I'll let you cut my lawn and give you a glass of lemonade.

As if your resentments, which are about all you have and divulge, are of any value to anyone but yourself.Sucks when life has passed you by, huh, Big DD?? Thanks for sharing.
413 posted on 07/17/2002 7:02:56 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Twodees
"They never have been and never will be the party of the Constitution."

Point taken. I stand corrected!

"No, in fact most conservative Americans never even considered the GOP an alternative until after Carter. The only real difference between the GOP and the democrats is that the democrat party was once a conservative party a long time ago..."

I don't know if I would go as late as Carter, but, again, I stand corrected. The Republican Party was actually the more liberal party in the late 19th century. After all, wasn't the GOP the home of the abolitionist movement?

414 posted on 07/17/2002 7:35:25 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: habs4ever
What goes on in the US is none of my business?

As I stated, our electoral politics are none of your business. You have to be a citizen to vote. Form your opinions if you like, but you aren't a player and probably never will be.

may even look for property near you.If you're good, I'll let you cut my lawn and give you a glass of lemonade.

The only way you can buy land close enough to build where I can see your house is to buy the land from me. I won't sell to a socialist Canadian, but thanks for the thought.

Sucks when life has passed you by, huh, Big DD?? Thanks for sharing.

Sucks to be a citizen of a socialist welfare state whose national politics don't even interest its own citizens, huh? Life hasn't passed me by, son. I'm an American whose people have been here for centuries in most lines of descendancy and for millenia in all but one other line. That one exceptional line comes down from one ancestor who immigrated from Canada in the 1850s.

You can huff and puff all you like from Toronto and you'll never be an American. You have to actually become a citizen to be an American. Ping me to the thread announcing your swearing in ceremony. I'll be one of the ones who responds congratulating you. Until then, butt out of my country's business.

415 posted on 07/17/2002 7:45:55 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: sheltonmac
I don't know if I would go as late as Carter, but, again, I stand corrected.

Yeah, it's debatable since so many conservative democrat politicians switched parties in the late 60's, but my POV was that most of the conservative voters who switched didn't really do so in great numbers until Reagan ran. It would surprise a lot of people just how many conservatives still belong to the democrat party here in the South, mostly old folks who have a long memory for family stories of republican treachery and fraud. Funny how so many pompom shakers forget that the GOP leadership didn't want Reagan and tried their best to spike his guns in the primary campaign.

The old elitist republican leadership of the northeast and Illinois have the party almost back where they want it. Some of the GOP loyalists will vote republican until they die, after which they'll become staunch democrat voters. ;-)

416 posted on 07/17/2002 7:56:02 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
Exodus of KnowNothing Blowhards from the GOP will be a good thing. This wing of "conservatives" does little but carp that the world actually has gone beyond 1830s South Carolina mentalities. It was useful only in destructiveness then and now as well.
417 posted on 07/17/2002 9:02:20 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Be careful what you wish for. If conservatives and others abandon the Republicans, you'll find Dems controlling Congress and the presidency.
418 posted on 07/17/2002 9:07:44 AM PDT by xdem
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Exodus of KnowNothing Blowhards from the GOP will be a good thing.

Almost no conservatives actually belong to the GOP anyway. The ones you're shooing away are just voters who don't belong to either party because we don't see parties as being important. We'll see in November whether you're right. You'll have another chance to hold onto that attitude in '04 as well. Let's see how it comes out before declaring victory either way, shall we?

419 posted on 07/17/2002 9:13:13 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: xdem
I don't believe that true conservatives will abandon the party only the fair weather (if that) leaners who can't be counted on when things get rough. How can any true conservative not understand that this not a conservative electorate and that a tiny minority cannot get its way? We have to convert a huge number of voters to our way of thinking and that will not happen by taking views so extreme that they think we are nuts.

I have challenged any of these fire-eaters to tell me where there is a more conservative credible candidate than Bush and their silence is deafening.

Why is the Left hysterical with hatred for Ashcroft and here the Blowhards do nothing but attack him? This is sick sh!t.
420 posted on 07/17/2002 9:24:59 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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