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To: habaes corpussel
"Does the "use of use of United States Armed Forces" include captures and detentions?"

"what does this have to do with the Padella case? "

You don't even know that Padila is being detained by the military (uh that's kinda central to the debate), or is this is the so-effective "brute ignorance" method of discussion?

In all kindness: review the posts.

118 posted on 07/16/2002 4:36:59 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
"You don't even know that Padeilla is being detained by the military (uh that's kinda central to the debate), or is this is the so-effective "brute ignorance" method of discussion?"

What part of this am I not getting across to you? The central focus of this issue is not just that the Military now has custody illegally of a US Citizen. That is just one point of contention. The focus is that a US Citizen ARRESTED NOT CAPTURED on US Soil by a US Federal Law Enforcement Agency, not the US Military, read M-I-R-A-N-D-A imprisoned, then had his status changed by the Executive Branch citing only EX PARTE QUIRIN, 317 U.S. 1 (1942) not any Congressional Authority, including the motion to quash the habeas corpus petition, all while and currently being denied the due rights provisions as provided for by M-I-R-A-N-D-A, and the US Constitution.

There are two Central themes.

(a) One of substantive due process and the excessive violation of such on a United States Citizen, and

(b) Executive authority to change the status, detain, capture and try Americans captured, detained or arrested on US Soil without charge by a Military Tribunal.

Show me where either the Congress has suspended this clause on any US Citizen? Show me where the Congress and even the Executive Branch has given the authority to try, detain or even capture Americans on US Soil by the militay with or without charge in this case?

Explain how A US Citizen can be arrested, read Miranda, and then legally denied the rights provided by Miranda and the US Constitution? Show me any legal precedence to support your assumptions? Tell me what the process is of a Federal Writ of Habeas Corpus? Lastly don’t be insulting even in kindness.

120 posted on 07/17/2002 8:59:38 AM PDT by habaes corpussel
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