Boost to legal aid for indigent residents in works [Jeb signs new law: The Civil Legal Justice Act]

The Naples Daily News ^ | July 14, 2002 | Mary Kelli Bridges

[browardchad]

I said:

It apparently will also help illegal immigrants fight deportation.

You responded:

These immigrants can't win with people like you -- you kick 'em if they're illegal, and, gosh forbid if they're temp legal want to become permanently legal, you kick 'em again. What gives?

My comment was based on the logical premise that those immigrants most likely to seek legal help are those who face deportation (more likely since 9/11) due to their illegal status.

Your comment implies that any criticism of immigrants, regardless of status, are necessarily made by someone who wants to "kick" all immigrants, and yet you state that your reply is "Not a smear" but "a reminder."

I admire your efforts on behalf of Jeb Bush, but I believe you view any and all criticism of legislation or funding promoted by him as a threat that needs to be squashed. That's dangerous.

[summer]

FYI. :)

[sarasmom]

"Now, what if it helps immigrants seeking to become legal citizens? Is that so wrong???"

Summer, it matters a great deal if they were "legal" in the first place.Rewarding illegal invaders is not acceptable.Legal immigrants have my full support as a citizen and as a human being.

I asked you several months ago Jebs position re 245i and illegal immigration, and you did not know.

Now we both know.Jeb is all for criminal invaders, and wants to support them on my dime.Politically , I think this is suicidal.

It makes a BIG,BIG difference to me, personally.I am far from alone in bumping this issue higher than the media/politicos expect.

Jeb seems to have the same potentially fatal failing his big brother has.An absolutely indefensible support for past,present,and future criminal invaders to the USA.An issue that I believe does not get near the attention it deserves in this country by the media.

However, it is extremely high on the list at the work water fountain/coffee stand. The degree of annoyance felt when one is continuously asked to choose English or Spanish for a simple transaction, or even an initial contact with a company to conduct business is incrementally infuriating.I no longer do business with stores who "hable espanol".The irritation factor is that high. And devisive.

Time to take a hard look at Mcbride.Just to educate myself .....Politics is just like real life in the sence that one "oh sh!t" always wipes out ten "attaboys".

[summer]

Now we both know.Jeb is all for criminal invaders,

sarasmom, I certainly don't know that. Maybe you should contact the sponsors of this law -- two GOP political leaders in FL -- to first find out more facts. Please post on this thread what you find out, as I too would like to know. But, I don't agree at all with your hasty conclusion -- "hasty" because the law and facts are not fully known by us.

[summer]

Legal immigrants have my full support as a citizen and as a human being.

BTW, that is what I meant too. That's why I pointed out the existence of such people to a previous poster on this thread, who did not seem to be aware that some people exists -- those who are actually legal immigrants. But, I knew that! :)

[summer]

Legal immigrants have my full support as a citizen and as a human being.

BTW, that is what I meant too. That's why I pointed out the existence of such people to a previous poster on this thread, who did not seem to be aware that such people exist -- those people who are actually legal immigrants. But, I knew that! :)

[summer]

My comment was based on the logical premise...

browardchad, You may have seen logic in your premise, but, I did not see any logic in your premise at all.

Illegals often do everything they can to avoid going to a lawyer because: they know they are illegal. What guarantee does an illegal have that a stranger who is a lawyer will not turn in the person to authorities? No guarantee exists. There is a huge risk an illegal takes when he or she makes that move to see a lawyer receiving state funds.

Thus, I do not agree with your logic. And, what I said was in fact intended as a reminder.

BTW, a few people have sometimes accused me of supporting everything Gov. Bush has done -- and when they do, I can tell they have missed a few of my threads. If you'd like to read any of those threads, freepmail me and I send you a URL or two. :)

[summer]

I send = I'll send

[summer]

Just to educate myself .. .

Well, sarasmom, to educate myself, I tried to search for the text of this new act, but I couldn't find it right now.

However, I do hope you contact McLawyer, and ask him for a statement on this issue which concerns you.

BTW, I have read Dem web sites for months -- and, none of these voters can ever get an answer out of him on any issue. Perhaps you will be the first!

If so, please post what he says on this thread, so you can educate all of us, myself included. Here is his web site, and good luck: www.mcbride2002.com

[summer]

Also, as McLawyer IS a lawyer, you might want to send him this thread and ask him if he sees the same things you see in this new law, as you claim it will legalize criminals. I don't see it that way. Does he? I am curious.

[sarasmom]

"Illegals often do everything they can to avoid going to a lawyer because: they know they are illegal. What guarantee does an illegal have that a stranger who is a lawyer will not turn in the person to authorities? No guarantee exists. There is a huge risk an illegal takes when he or she makes that move to see a lawyer receiving state funds."

summer, exactly what part of "illegal" don't you understand? Why do you advocate a ficticious protected class to criminal invaders? Which of the laws of the USA do you believe are perfectly fine for foreign invaders to violate? Do you have a list?

The thousands and thousands of people who have waited patiently on legal immigration waiting lists, abiding by our laws, and the rest of us, who are current legal citizens, really want a definitian of exactly what laws are perfectably acceptable to ignore.

[summer]

PS sarasmom, I say all this with all due respect to you. I Truly. I know this is a huge issue with the GOP base. It has, frankly, amazed me that no one else outside the GOP ever mentions the illegal alien issue. I've been listening for it. Silence.

[summer]

summer, exactly what part of "illegal" don't you understand?

I understand "illegal." I have know illegals. They often reside throughout Manhattan. In fact, it is impossible to go to a restaurant or many other places without encountering an illegal.

And, I think my answer indicates I understand exactly what illegal means -- and, such people are not necessarily eager to go to a lawyer, as I explained. They ARE illegal and they KNOW it.

Why do you advocate a ficticious protected class to criminal invaders?

You lost me on this one. I'm not advocating anything to protect illegals. I'm pointing out why illegals probably are not going to run to a state-funded lawyer, at least the way I see it in my logic. They are usually afraid of authority.

Which of the laws of the USA do you believe are perfectly fine for foreign invaders to violate? Do you have a list?
None. And, no. I have posted threads about the problem of illegal immigration. You can search for a recent one; I believe it's called "ALIEN STORIES." I am not advocating the expansion of illegal immigration - not by a longshot.

[summer]

I have know = I have known

[summer]

BTW, since you mention "legal citizens" I would politely point out that this new law signed by Gov. Bush is intended to help OTHER GROUPS, includin: VETS (LEGAL CITIZENS) as well as the ELDERLY (and there are MANY LEGAL ELDERLY CITIZENS). These two groups of people, and other LEGAL CITIZENS, are being ignored on this thread and pushed aside by those eager to prove this new law is narrowly designed to somehow make illegals legal. I don't know if this new law can even do that -- and it certainly is NOT designed for one narrow group.

[Lancey Howard]

The article didn't mention if this "legal aid for losers" program would help scumbag lawyers and their bum clients pursue "class action" lawsuits against the government (working, taxpaying families). Are there any safety valves in this legislation designed to restrict the "jackpot justice" so many scumbag lawyers live for?

[summer]

I don't consider vets to be "losers," Lancey Howard. Nor do I consider the elderly to be "losers." And, my guess is that this has nothing to do with "class action suits," since the law specifies what the money can be used for, according to the article.

Geesh, you know, sometimes a person needs legal help, and really can NOT afford to go to a lawyer. Lawyers aren't cheap in FL. Consequently, I think this is a wonderful new law. It will help people -- LEGAL FL CITIZENS - who deserve help.

[Lancey Howard]

I think summer is saying that there is no need to be concerned that illegal aliens will scoop any significant part of the funding for this "legal aid for losers" program because they will be afraid to use it. I believe summer also feels, (and I agree) that this is a good thing. Screw the illegals.

[Lancey Howard]

Consequently, I think this is a wonderful new law. It will help people -- LEGAL FL CITIZENS - who deserve help.

You are a teacher, summer - - how do you define "deserve"? Why would anybody "deserve" to have their lawyer paid for by money confiscated by big government out of their neighbor's wallet? But first, define "deserve"....

Regards,
LH

[summer]

LOL...well, you know, I COULD be wrong here! But, with respect to the illegals I have known, the last person they want to meet with is a government official, including a lawyer receiving state funds. And, vets and the elderly and others who ARE legal DO need legal help at times. If that's what you meant, thanks for saying it, Lancey Howard. :)