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US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies
smh ^ | 7/15/2002 | Ritt Goldstein

Posted on 07/14/2002 1:17:47 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies

The Bush Administration aims to recruit millions of United States citizens as domestic informants in a program likely to alarm civil liberties groups.

The Terrorism Information and Prevention System, or TIPS, means the US will have a higher percentage of citizen informants than the former East Germany through the infamous Stasi secret police. The program would use a minimum of 4 per cent of Americans to report "suspicious activity".

Civil liberties groups have already warned that, with the passage earlier this year of the Patriot Act, there is potential for abusive, large-scale investigations of US citizens.

As with the Patriot Act, TIPS is being pursued as part of the so-called war against terrorism. It is a Department of Justice project.

Highlighting the scope of the surveillance network, TIPS volunteers are being recruited primarily from among those whose work provides access to homes, businesses or transport systems. Letter carriers, utility employees, truck drivers and train conductors are among those named as targeted recruits.

A pilot program, described on the government Web site www.citizencorps.gov, is scheduled to start next month in 10 cities, with 1 million informants participating in the first stage. Assuming the program is initiated in the 10 largest US cities, that will be 1 million informants for a total population of almost 24 million, or one in 24 people.

Historically, informant systems have been the tools of non-democratic states. According to a 1992 report by Harvard University's Project on Justice, the accuracy of informant reports is problematic, with some informants having embellished the truth, and others suspected of having fabricated their reports.

Present Justice Department procedures mean that informant reports will enter databases for future reference and/or action. The information will then be broadly available within the department, related agencies and local police forces. The targeted individual will remain unaware of the existence of the report and of its contents.

The Patriot Act already provides for a person's home to be searched without that person being informed that a search was ever performed, or of any surveillance devices that were implanted.

At state and local levels the TIPS program will be co-ordinated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which

was given sweeping new powers, including internment, as part of the Reagan Administration's national security initiatives. Many key figures of the Reagan era are part of the Bush Administration.

The creation of a US "shadow government", operating in secret, was another Reagan national security initiative.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: spies; tips
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To: Mulder
ny organized informant program is pretty much useless until the government has the political will to secure our borders and deport those who [?] illegally.
This statement I can agree with. It's the knee-jerk reactions that irritate.
61 posted on 07/14/2002 2:39:30 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: APBaer
"Neighborhood Watch meets the Committee For the Defense of the Revolution."

/Also known as 'Bolovarian Circles' in Venezuela. Soon everyone will have their own little gestapo informant to check in with.

62 posted on 07/14/2002 2:43:07 PM PDT by monday
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To: dennisw
In a few years you will hear people saying: "But, if only the Fuhrer knew.. "
63 posted on 07/14/2002 2:43:20 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: hellinahandcart
Are you posting from the future or something?

sorry. Our dog was hit by a car. My mind is sad today.

64 posted on 07/14/2002 2:44:10 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Clara Lou
"I'm sure Israeli citizens never report suspicious behavior. /utter disgust"

Bet they don't have to register with the government in order to do it.. /utter disgust

65 posted on 07/14/2002 2:48:02 PM PDT by monday
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To: concerned about politics
My mind is sad today

Well, mine is too now. Sorry about your dog.

66 posted on 07/14/2002 2:48:39 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: TLBSHOW
(unless it's one like Harry S Truman). Smile.
67 posted on 07/14/2002 2:52:34 PM PDT by ellery
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To: concerned about politics
I'm so sorry, too.
68 posted on 07/14/2002 2:54:57 PM PDT by ellery
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To: concerned about politics
Sorry to hear about your dog.
69 posted on 07/14/2002 2:55:20 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
All security starts with physical security -- establishing physical boundaries and carefully monitoring everything that enters, that leaves and that is inside. The security forces for each neighborhood should know precisely who is coming and going at all times, and the papers of all persons staying overnight should be checked periodically, preferably between 2 and 4 am.
70 posted on 07/14/2002 2:58:04 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: monday
Bet they don't have to register with the government in order to do it.. /utter disgust
Neither do Americans. It's just if you want to oficially belong to TIPS that you have to register. Don't be too disgusted.
71 posted on 07/14/2002 3:02:48 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou
DO THEY HAVE A STORE LIKE JW! lol
72 posted on 07/14/2002 3:05:54 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Hey, yeah!!! A badge and a blinking watch-- way cool!
73 posted on 07/14/2002 3:08:14 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Betty Jo
Betty Jo, Drudge's "source" is the anti-US publication I mentioned in my response. You trust this as "original source" material?
74 posted on 07/14/2002 3:13:35 PM PDT by Draco
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This is shocking. There should be no way what so ever to report any possible crimes. 911 should be changed to 912 so no one can inform on murderers or others the government deems 'undesirable' or 'terrorist'. God forbid anybody do anything sensible, what the hell would the 1%er's have to complain about then?
75 posted on 07/14/2002 3:13:37 PM PDT by Dat
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To: TLBSHOW
TLBSHOW
Drudge's source is the anti-US publication. This is not "original source" material. It's like asking Arafat for an neutral view on Mid-East peace prospects. Am I missing the joke here?
76 posted on 07/14/2002 3:15:20 PM PDT by Draco
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To: Draco
"Am I missing the joke here?"

No telling what your missing.

The ultimate source is the US Government's website.
If you feel that *THAT* is anti-government, you'd better turn the US Government in to the US Government.
77 posted on 07/14/2002 3:18:58 PM PDT by APBaer
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To: TLBSHOW
"Behind Winston's back the voice from the telescreen was still babbling away about pig iron and the overfulfillment of the Ninth Three-Year Plan. The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whipser, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceibvable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live - did live, from habit that became instinct - in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized."
78 posted on 07/14/2002 3:20:47 PM PDT by Orion78
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To: dawn53
"Sometimes snitches and busybodies have their place. "

What you are doing is a closer analogy to the border patrol, protecting your neighborhood from criminals. From crime so to speak. The chances of abusing this system are small. If you call the police on your neighbor because you suspect he is dealing drugs but the police find no drugs you lose your credibility.

However if you call the police because you suspect he is going to commit a terrorist act, how will the police know your motives. He might be an actual terrorist or it might be that he doesn't mow his yard often enough for your liking?

This is called guilt by accusation. Since he did not commit a crime but is only suspected he has no way of defending himself. How does one prove a negative?

Now imagine that your neighbor has called the FBI on you instead of the other way around. How would you feel being treated as a terrorist, having to take lie detector tests etc.

Remember, due to the PC police, anyone can be a terrorist, not just muslim men. You would be interrogated just as thoroughly as they.

The potential for abuse of this system is very large, while the benifits are small. Instead of having 300 million on the lookout for terrorists, the number is cut to 4% of that.

The danger is that if an registared informant reports suspicious behavior the authorities will tend to believe whatever the allegations are, as opposed to an ordinary citizen who hasn't been vetted by the government. The potential for abuse is great.

79 posted on 07/14/2002 3:27:12 PM PDT by monday
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To: mancini; thinden; Fred Mertz
Gonna git me a warm coat outta the deal. :-)
80 posted on 07/14/2002 3:28:08 PM PDT by rdavis84
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