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US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies
smh ^ | 7/15/2002 | Ritt Goldstein

Posted on 07/14/2002 1:17:47 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies

The Bush Administration aims to recruit millions of United States citizens as domestic informants in a program likely to alarm civil liberties groups.

The Terrorism Information and Prevention System, or TIPS, means the US will have a higher percentage of citizen informants than the former East Germany through the infamous Stasi secret police. The program would use a minimum of 4 per cent of Americans to report "suspicious activity".

Civil liberties groups have already warned that, with the passage earlier this year of the Patriot Act, there is potential for abusive, large-scale investigations of US citizens.

As with the Patriot Act, TIPS is being pursued as part of the so-called war against terrorism. It is a Department of Justice project.

Highlighting the scope of the surveillance network, TIPS volunteers are being recruited primarily from among those whose work provides access to homes, businesses or transport systems. Letter carriers, utility employees, truck drivers and train conductors are among those named as targeted recruits.

A pilot program, described on the government Web site www.citizencorps.gov, is scheduled to start next month in 10 cities, with 1 million informants participating in the first stage. Assuming the program is initiated in the 10 largest US cities, that will be 1 million informants for a total population of almost 24 million, or one in 24 people.

Historically, informant systems have been the tools of non-democratic states. According to a 1992 report by Harvard University's Project on Justice, the accuracy of informant reports is problematic, with some informants having embellished the truth, and others suspected of having fabricated their reports.

Present Justice Department procedures mean that informant reports will enter databases for future reference and/or action. The information will then be broadly available within the department, related agencies and local police forces. The targeted individual will remain unaware of the existence of the report and of its contents.

The Patriot Act already provides for a person's home to be searched without that person being informed that a search was ever performed, or of any surveillance devices that were implanted.

At state and local levels the TIPS program will be co-ordinated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which

was given sweeping new powers, including internment, as part of the Reagan Administration's national security initiatives. Many key figures of the Reagan era are part of the Bush Administration.

The creation of a US "shadow government", operating in secret, was another Reagan national security initiative.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: spies; tips
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To: Clara Lou
I'm sure Israeli citizens never report suspicious behavior.

I'm also quite sure that they are not an organized Corps of snitches and busibodies.

41 posted on 07/14/2002 2:07:56 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Shermy
What's funny IMHO is that they have set up an 11 digit hot line number- for people who are too stupid to dial '911'!

Oh well, maybe 911 is overused.

42 posted on 07/14/2002 2:08:56 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Lazamataz
"I'm also quite sure that they are not an organized Corps of snitches and busibodies."

"I’m so ferklempt. Talk among yourselves."
43 posted on 07/14/2002 2:10:23 PM PDT by APBaer
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To: TLBSHOW
Reading this post from TLBSHOW and the replies, reminds me of the way a lot of folks acted in the Civil War. Perhaps, these are only responses to fear.

If only we had Freeped the terrorists before they boarded the planes, then none of this would have happened.. not one plane would have hit the towers....no Enron, no Worldcon... our 401Ks, our stocks and our SUVs would all be safe. Who knows, maybe the price of smokes would be rolled back to $15.00 a carton.

44 posted on 07/14/2002 2:10:33 PM PDT by A. Morgan
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To: TLBSHOW
The program would use a minimum of 4 per cent of Americans to report "suspicious activity".
I wonder why we can't just all live in labor camps?
45 posted on 07/14/2002 2:10:41 PM PDT by Asclepius
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To: TLBSHOW
Gee, that's comforting.
I'm beginning to wonder about this war on terrorism. Who's the enemy, anyway? Us, or the Muslims? I'm beginning to think it's American citizens, otherwise, they'd do something about immigration first. The doors are wide open and the "welcome terrorists" matts are all laid out!!
46 posted on 07/14/2002 2:10:50 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: TLBSHOW
Interesting. But how will they manage the flow of information? One in 24 implies about 12,000,000 informants. If each one generates one tip per year, that's 12,000,000 reports to follow up on...the manpower requirements are such that it would be very difficult to take more than a cursory look at the target.

And it gets worse. How does one do a background check on so many people? Or is this something where one fills out a web page and gets a free snitch certificate by e-mail...suitable for printing on any inkjet printer?

There are issues with this, but implementation seems a very big challenge.

47 posted on 07/14/2002 2:12:03 PM PDT by neutrino
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To: Asclepius
"I wonder why we can't just all live in labor camps?"

No, we have to go to work, so we can by our taxes support our political masters.
48 posted on 07/14/2002 2:12:19 PM PDT by APBaer
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To: neutrino
where one fills out a web page and gets a free snitch certificate by e-mail...suitable for printing on any inkjet printer?

Snicker!

49 posted on 07/14/2002 2:14:16 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Clara Lou
Civilians are already reporting suspicious activities -- and that's good. But once you set up a formal infrastructure, it can much more easily be abused. Would you be so unconcerned about this if Clinton were president? Because there will be another one like him someday -- and I for one quiver at the thought of this being at his disposal...
50 posted on 07/14/2002 2:14:41 PM PDT by ellery
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To: Clara Lou
Some of these posts are just unbelievable. They'd be funny if they weren't so sad. I'm sure Israeli citizens never report suspicious behavior. /utter disgust

Any organized informant program is pretty much useless until the government has the political will to secure our borders and deport those who illegally.

This program is about pushing us closer to a police state, and providing political cover for the politicans to make it seem like they are doing something about "terrorism".

51 posted on 07/14/2002 2:17:18 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: ellery
OH LORD,

Tell me there will never be another Democrat President. !
52 posted on 07/14/2002 2:17:22 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
This is just an expansion of the patriot act. The Feds can raid your home/business, pull you over or surveil you and only with claim of "receiving information through our TIPS program".

I'm joining the Young Republicans just to be safe. Is there an age limit?

53 posted on 07/14/2002 2:19:39 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: TLBSHOW
I thought that's why we had Homeowners Associations?
54 posted on 07/14/2002 2:19:43 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: DainBramage
The Feds can raid your home/business, pull you over or surveil you and only with claim of "receiving information through our TIPS program".

Once we go to a cashless society, they'll just shut off your ability to buy or sell if someone reports you under this program.

55 posted on 07/14/2002 2:22:20 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: TLBSHOW
Sen Byrd juat announced that he will not rest untill all of these jobs are in WV.
56 posted on 07/14/2002 2:25:18 PM PDT by folklore
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To: TLBSHOW
At state and local levels the TIPS program will be co-ordinated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which

was given sweeping new powers, including internment, as part of the Reagan Administration's national security initiatives. Many key figures of the Reagan era are part of the Bush Administration.

The creation of a US "shadow government", operating in secret, was another Reagan national security initiative

Ahhhh, no good leftist rag would be complete without a nice cheap shot a Ronald Reagon at the end of it.

57 posted on 07/14/2002 2:27:07 PM PDT by chudogg
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To: Mulder
I'm reeeeealy starting to wonder about this "war on terror."
Really. I think freedom in the US is becomming the new enemy.
The Bush administration is getting pretty scary.
There has been no terrorism since almost two years ago!!!
58 posted on 07/14/2002 2:32:09 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
There has been no terrorism since almost two years ago!!!

Are you posting from the future or something?

59 posted on 07/14/2002 2:35:46 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Lazamataz
I'm also quite sure that they are not an organized Corps of snitches and busibodies

I belong to an organized corps of snitches and busybodies. It's called Neighborhood Watch.

We snitches take turns, each giving three hours per week to drive around our neighborhood and report suspicious activity.

We have the most active Neighborhood Watch in our city, and we also have the lowest crime rate of any neighborhood in our city.

Sometimes snitches and busybodies have their place.

60 posted on 07/14/2002 2:37:52 PM PDT by dawn53
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