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I find about one in 50 pro-lifers support punishment for women. I typically get all kinds of nonsense about how women are "victims" of abortion, etc.

So, should I be condemned as a "pro-abort" and worse for opposing the criminalization of abortion?

I'll move on to other issues between conservatives and libertarians later.

Yes, you should be condemned as a "pro-abort" for opposing criminalization of abortion. Whether or not the woman is punished is largely irrelevant and the sole strategic reason for making her liable to SOME punishment (a year or two) is to get the name of the abortionist by plea bargain with her and to require her testimony as part of the bargain in exchange for her full and frank testimony against the person who earns his or her livelihood by killing the child. This is not unlike having drug laws criminalizing possession. Anyone arrested for possession can expect generous treatment in exchange for info on the dealer and appropriate testimony.

What really makes you a pro-abort and not a libertarian one (if such a thing as a genuine pro-abort libertarian could ever exist) is your denial of the human individuality of the innocent unborn child who has been killed for the convenience of the parents and all of that child's rights. If you also happen to be an agnostic or atheist, you are denying that child everything (at least in your mind). If you are a believer, you know that the child's soul is immortal but you will have some impossible explaining to do at death.

The closest that one can come to libertarianism and still be a conservative is the fusionism of the late Frank Meyer. People of libertarian inclination among conservatives are not likely to feel comfortable with the sizeable agnostic and atheist wing of libertarians.

If one does not believe in God, heaven, hell, eternal reward and punishment, individual immortality, onbe has little in common with those who do believe in all of those and the difference makes for great differences in approach to many apparently unrelated areas of public policy.

One who is an atheist or an agnostic might well be tempted to wonder what makes religion such a big deal to believers. Believers cannot fail to be amazed at anyone doubting the existence of God or the immortality of the soul. Agnosticism and atheism, unaccompanied by a very difficult to achieve level of self-generated morality, leads, at best, to the sterile path of utilitarianism which is not likely to find enthusiasts among believers.

Tread lightly on matters such as abortion that far transcend in importance a "philosophy" which encompasses not much more nowadays than the obsessive and irrational selfishness of the Randian and of la Rand herself who suffered ideological demolition in life by such diverse voices as Ludwig von Mises and Whittaker Chambers, each a far more honest and rigorous thinker, apeaker and writer than she. In my not so humble opinion.

I think most pro-lifers would be happy to see abortion-profiteers -- abortionists and clinic managers come mostly to mind -- have their a$$es thrown in jail for a long, long time. This does not require punishing the woman.

Concerning the women, most of the abortions with which I am personally familiar were far more desired by the boyfriend than the woman (girl.) In one case serious pressure was applied to get the girl to go through with it.

I think most Americans would strongly support the removal of public funding for abortions and organizations involved with abortions. This requires changing the status quo and a rather ugly political fight. I'm afraid you can't avoid choosing sides.

Most thinking Americans strongly support ending Roe V. Wade, even if it is because the understand it is a great insult to our Constitution. This requires an even uglier politcal fight.

Marshall Fritz is pro-life, as are about one-third of libertarians. My position is as a small 'l' libertarian is to ask pro-lifers, what penalty they propose for women, who have abortions. If it is true that abortion is a clash of rights, then the person denied rights needs to be compensated with the punishment of the women, who aborted them. I find about one in 50 pro-lifers support punishment for women. I typically get all kinds of nonsense about how women are "victims" of abortion, etc. So, should I be condemned as a "pro-abort" and worse for opposing the criminalization of abortion? I'll move on to other issues between conservatives and libertarians later.

I am a pro-life Libertarian. Abortion is murder, period.

But, what to do about it?

35 million american women so far have had abortions. We simply cannot afford to house 35 million women, and counting, in our prisons for life, at $30,000 apiece each year. That is trillions of dollars!!!

I also do not see our country giving the death penalty. I really do not believe that we would execute 35 million american women, even though they desreve it.

Thus, if there is no punishment to fit the crime, any law against it would be meaningless.

Furthermore, if we did execute the 35 million women, and were successful in stoping abortion, who is going to raise and pay for 10 million unwanted kids each decade? We certainly do not want the kids left in the care of a mother who would rather kill the baby if it were not for it being against the law.......

I see no one who is willing and able, and is stepping up to the plate with CASH!!! to adopt 35 million babies and more.