Buchanan's surefire flop. Home Bound

The New Republic ^ | July 11, 2002 | Franklin Foer

[SamBees]

Oh, don't worry about National Review! Its only owned by a CFR member. No biggie! (sure)

[nopardons]

Can you get any more vulagar and / or disgusting, besides being so utterly craven, stupid , and over the line ? Haven't you ever bothered to read the rules for posting, or do you assume that they just don't apply to you, dear ?

So, when all else fails, you attempt not only an ad hominem, but an implied obcenity ? Keep your day job, dear, you haven't the ability to think of clever reparte.

[Cacique]

btt

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...neocons 1, Buchanan/Raimondo 0...

Puh-leez.

This piece says more about Foer than Buchanan. He's the master (mistress?) of the bitchy attack piece. A neocon Kitty Kelley. Meantime, Pat Buchanan has an unbroken record of fighting ceaselessly for conservative causes since the 1960s. All this forgettable little spray does is remind us how easily American conservatives turn on each other- if we needed reminding.

[DugwayDuke]

The founding fathers lived in another age. An age where boundless oceans provided a natural moat. An age without intercontinental flight. An age without weapons of mass destruction. They also founded a country that was one of the weakest in the world, leaving them little choice but to avoid the world's stage. None of the conditions they founding fathers faced continue to exist.

There are many ways to stop illegal immigration. The military is not equipted or trained for that mission. And, since that problem is a law enforcement issue, there are constitutional prohibitions that prevent their use in that regard.

[Digger]

Just remember this "Two-Party Cartel" would die on the vine IF other parties were allowed to flourish. But they have it controlled & you get either chocolate or vanilla. Today its marble. That's the New World Order's delight. Why is Buchanan & Nader so villified? Because they are loose cannons. They aren't bought & paid for pols. They just might put the average Americans above the elites & that can't happen on the way to the total globalization of the world. You've been snookered when you go to the fake polls on voting day. Yes. I voted for Buchanan each time he ran & I would continue to do so & I'm not throwing my vote away.

[DugwayDuke]

Buchanan and Nader are both villified because they are both kooks. Take for example, Buchanan's fair trade mantra that amounts to nothing more than a redistribution of wealth from one segment of the people to another.

[quidnunc]

This magazine, The American Conservative, will have to be subsidized by somebody to survive.

The question is who will do the subsidizing?

This for me is the most instructive part of the article:

There is, however, one group that shares the Buchananite docket of suspicions — of Wall Street, capitalism, Zionism, American power: the anti-globalization left. Indeed, Buchanan has fitfully wooed them. He marched in the streets at the 1999 Seattle protests of the World Trade Organization, and he has spoken at labor rallies against free trade. During his 2000 presidential bid, he said he hoped to turn the Reform Party into the "Peace Party." Some of his aidesde-camp have gone further, taking Buchananism to its logical left-wing conclusions. Justin Raimondo, an adviser to Buchanan's 1996 campaign and a historian of the old right, runs Antiwar.com. The site posts screeds against American interventionism that complain about "empire" and "increased military spending." And by lifting the language of the left, he has acquired an audience on the left: The Nation's Alexander Cockburn has published a column on the site, and Salon and alternative newsweeklies plug his work. For his part, Raimondo is unabashed about his ideological transformation. Last month he wrote on his site, "The only voices of dissent are heard, today, on the Left. ... This is where all the vitality, the rebelliousness, the willingness to challenge the rules and strictures of an increasingly narrow and controlled national discourse has resided."

And Raimondo is not the only one trying his hand at far-left/far-right synergy. On the University of California, San Diego, campus, David Duke's supporters have distributed flyers on "Israeli genocide." Lefty Pacifica Radio broadcasts right-wingers who rail against elites, including recordings of the late conspiracy theorist Anthony Sutton. Thomas Fleming, the editor of the paleocon Chronicles, told me, "I agree with environmentalists on chain stores, fast food, and the Americanization of Europe. I don't even bother calling myself a conservative anymore." …

It looks to me as though many who are calling themselves conservatives are in reality nihilistic populists who hanker after some sort of authoritarian regime on the order of Spain under Franco or Cuba under Castro.

[habaes corpussel]

What I am amazed at is that after the Buchanan/Foster Presidential bid with all the problems the campaign had financially including the FEC complaints and findings, that Buchanan still has a platform and now a media window (MSNBC) to push his ill-fated agendas. I guess politically robbery and banditry is a forgivable sin in DC.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Quite a smear piece. Joe McCarthy could have taken lessons from the author.

[AmishDude]

Oops! This was a New Republic article, not a Weekly Standard article. But aren't these two neocon trash-rags one and the same, at the end of the day?

Sorry, too late. If you're going to go ad hominem, you'll have to get your facts straight.

[AmishDude]

My view is that the difference between Paleos and those they call Neo-Cons (that is, 99% of people who call themselves conservatives) is that Neo-Cons love the America that actually exists, while acknowledging its faults; while Paleos love only the ideal America in their minds, and hate the real America -- this "sewer" which is "not worth fighting for."

Bump for post of the day, maybe the week.

[nopardons]

LOL ! Even before this thread, I was saying very much the same as you have done. This article and your post, just confirmd it all. :-)

[Huck]

Bump for later.

[voa-davidk]

My gosh!When I read your post I thought it was talking about you , and then I read the user name at the bottom and it was you posting the post ! You have had a knack for your own Bar room vulgarity on this site ( to my e-mail )(Please don't send any more of that to my e-mail ). I did remind you then that it was against the rules for posting on this site to use such vulgarity . Have you stopped calling people abusive names , such as one a few of of your favorites you used : FOOL ?

My, have you repented since we engaged in our last encounter (LOL ) (LOL) and triple (LOL) ! ( Did you decide if you wanted to hear my impression of a dolphin I love those creatures. Say this fast out loud : eeee - Er !, eeee-Er ! , eeeee -Er ! , eeeee- Er ! , eeeee- ER ! . Half My Back Tied Around My Back , Just To Make It Fair ( LOL ! ) 7/14/02

[voa-davidk]

He is so right on this .

[Southern Federalist]

Thanks for the kind words.

[sinkspur]

It looks to me as though many who are calling themselves conservatives are in reality nihilistic populists who hanker after some sort of authoritarian regime on the order of Spain under Franco or Cuba under Castro.

Yep. Remember, it was Buchanan who said that he would advise Clinton, when subpoenaed by Kenneth Starr, to simply refuse to obey the subpoena, even if ordered to comply by the Supreme Court.

Buchanan's appeal is largely to the populist left, as is Raimondo's. It is good that Jim Robinson has apparently banned Antiwar.com from FR.

[Pelham]

..and you're just the expert to split those hairs for us. We've always needed a Rhetoric Monitor to explain to us what expressions are permissible. Go for it.

[Pelham]

yawn