Posted on 07/13/2002 8:23:34 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
This is false. Every one of them ratified the DOI acknowledging that rights are granted by the Creator, not the state. It is the keystone of which this nation is founded upon. While this is not endorsement of a state established religion, which nobody here supports, it is an endorsement of God and the basis of the Constitution.
Shall I provide you with some appropriate quotes from our Founding Fathers that dispute what you have stated?What Jefferson Davis said won't interest me. >:)
Seriously, check out the link I posted earlier first. Then consider which of your quotes represent approval of Christianity, rather than a desire to make it part of government. Keep in mind I might have a few quotes too.
Most of the Founding Fathers were practicing Christians, and even some that were not, such as Ben Franklin believed in invoking divine help!Then why didn't the Constitution say so?
-Eric
Absolutely.
I was going back over my argument on the language issue, where people wish to enact a Constitutional Amendment making English the official language of the US...it is already. The point that I made to others, is that an American citizen has the right, should they wish to do so, of building a town, populated by like-minded people, decide that only Bantu would be spoken there.
They'd have one hell of a time interacting with the rest of the nation, and no government agency should adapt to them, but as Americans, they have the right to do that nevertheless.
But it's also true that most of those didn't believe in mixing government and religion, for both philosophical and practical reasons.The Declaration represents the whys of the Revolution, not the hows of the new government. Indeed, between the time that the Declaration was adopted and the Constitution was written, we adopted and scrapped a separate founding document.This is false. Every one of them ratified the DOI acknowledging that rights are granted by the Creator, not the state. It is the keystone of which this nation is founded upon. While this is not endorsement of a state established religion, which nobody here supports, it is an endorsement of God and the basis of the Constitution.
Nowhere in the Constitution is the Declaration given any weight as a legal basis of our government. If it was, us WoD opponents might be able to use the "pursuit of happiness" clause in court.
-Eric
No, the DOI is a statement of the principles that this nation is founded upon and acknowledges that rights are God given. The BOR's states some of those rights. To remove the Creator, God, as the source of rights, would leave you with two choices. Either you could acknowledge rights come from the state or you would have to write a Leon Uris type opus explaining to the proletariat where they come from which would make the Pledge a bit too long at the beginning of the school day.
If it was, us WoD opponents might be able to use the "pursuit of happiness" clause in court.
You mean this clause?
Amendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Right on and succinctly said!
These people are doing the same jobs most any other American citizen will do. They are teacher's aids, bank tellers, grocery clerks, clerks in insurance offices - don't delude yourself and don't attempt to delude others.
These people are taking American jobs while, as you admit, taking benefits paid for by those American taxpayers whose wages are quickly being set by these people who can afford to work for less. Please relieve me of the necessity of paying taxes, medical insurance or expenses, property taxes, insurance on my auto, obeying the law, obeying zoning ordinances, and I could afford to clean the toilets at MOtel 6 and live very well.
Yes, close the borders, stop the welfare - then send them all home and let's clean up this nation and make it America again.
1. I’ll stick with my definition of the “Melting Pot.” This is America – foreigners are obliged to adapt to our ways; we are not obliged to adapt to foreign ways! To the degree that the “Melting Pot” results in LEGAL immigrants and their families becoming socialized to the American way of life and adopting a non hyphenated “I am an American” attitude, immigration is beneficial for all of us, IMHO. To the degree that foreigners insist on keeping their own traditional way of living and to the degree that said traditions and customs do not conflict with the U.S. Constitution and the law of the land, I’m OK with that. To the degree that foreigners insist on legal recognition of customs and traditions repugnant to the American way of life and that are illegal, I stand in firm opposition to them.
2. The American people have every right, through their government, to evict people who conduct their affairs in an illegal manner (and that includes those who are here illegally), or who work to subvert the Constitution or cause harm to this country or its people. I never said that we have the right to run those who are legally residing in the United States out if they obey the laws. We damn sure have the right to deport those who are illegally here, though! And on that basis alone. It is a black and white issue – One is either a legal resident of the United States or one is not.
3. As far as I am concerned, if a person is in this country illegally, they should be identified, charged with the federal crime being here illegally is, convicted, and shipped back to their country of origin. We need to take off the gloves, and control our borders. And jealously, very jealously, keep illegals out!
4. HST, America needs to develop a much better “Green Card” program.
5. All bilingual education programs should be cancelled, immediately. I have a message to all who would come to the United States: This is America. We speak English. Learn it. You will be much better off.
6. With regard to your comment about non-official language, I personally could care less what language is spoken around the supper table or in private conversations – my concern is that non-English speaking people are allowed to, among other things, become citizens. register to vote, vote, obtain driver’s licenses, and have official documents translated for them and/or translator’s supplied for them at taxpayer expense. U.S. taxpayers should not spend one damn dime to facilitate this kind of insanity. The lesson is this: To thrive in America, you have to speak English, and the sooner you learn it, the better off we all will be.
7. I agree that legal immigrants and U.S. citizens have the same “Unalienable Rights.” Recall that some of the 9-11-01 perps were legal residents, and they were here to “subvert” not only the Constitution, but the country. And they damn sure “Re-ordered it,” didn’t they?
8. The “pandering” I was referring to was the politician’s (Ds and Rs both) to “buy” votes with such “deals” as blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants, bilingual education, preferential loans, refusal to militarize our borders, etc., etc. Every thoughtful Real American, regardless of their country of origin, recognizes that this is not a smart thing to do, unless you are trolling for the class warfare vote.
FReegards. When is the next march?
a.cricket
JUSTICE REHNQUIST, dissentingThe Court ruled 6-3 that the Fourteenth Amendment indeed applies the protections and restrictions of the First Amendment to the states.
-Eric
They ruled that an incorrectly interpreted First Amendment applies to the states.Incorrectly interpreted? Both Jefferson and Madison used the word "separation" when describing the intent of the First Amendment.
It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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