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To: agrace
Furthermore, I don't believe you have any examples to provide.

I've provided examples above, in fact.

The bugs in a field example, where the bug species progressively becomes resitant/immune to a specific bug spray by natural selection.

So it would seem you *have* been ignoring my points. While I've been addressing yours.

970 posted on 07/17/2002 8:14:52 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: Dominic Harr
Excuse me, but if you are referring to post # 849, said bug example was NOT addressed to me. I had to go back and read through this entire thread to find it, so to accuse me of not responding to your points when they haven't even been brought to my direct attention is hardly honest.

With regard to the bug example, first of all, this is not an ACTUAL DOCUMENTED CASE. This was a fictional scenario created by you to demonstrate natural selection. It does NOT address my - repeated - requests for (and I quote from my initial post on this) "one definitive example of one species that was changed to another...one definitive example of one species that is currently in process of changing into another." An example of such, scientifically documented, you have yet to provide, although you claim knowledge of many.

To specifically address your bug example, I'll repeat the points that I see that others have already made, not that it will do any good.

The bugs who survived in the first place already had in place a stronger resistance to the spray. The ones who did not, died. The surviving bugs produced offspring, which were more likely to possess the same strong resistance. The ones who did possess it survived the second spraying, evidencing to the farmer that a larger population was resistant, as in fact it now was. Those who did not inherit the strong resistance again died.

In your scenario, NOTHING NEW at a genetic level was introduced to CREATE a resistance. This is a classic example of natural selection. Those who survived already possessed the means to do so. They are more likely to produce offspring with that same means of survival; therefore subsequent generations have greater numbers that survive. This kind of scenario has been observed and tested repeatedly.

Regardless, surely you can do better than one fictional example. And if no scientifically documented examples are forthcoming, I believe I'm done chatting. Have a good afternoon.

973 posted on 07/17/2002 9:12:44 AM PDT by agrace
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