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To: gore3000
ME: The existence of God is outside the realm of science, and therefore irrelevant.

G3K: No it is not irrelevant.

Science looks for natural causes. God is supernatural. How many times has this been explained to you? Oh, wait! I forgot you can't count to two.

G3K: And in fact, your statement is an admission that evolution can never be proven -

How does this differ from any other scientific theory? Repeated posting that science never "proves" anything, except in a negative sense, just don't seem to make any impression on you. This is why we keep telling you that a scientific theory must be capable of disproof. You've never appeared to grasp this, either, yet it's essential to an understanding of science. You don't have to believe FR posters on this, by the way. Any scientific website or entry-level science book will tell you the same thing.

G3K: science cannot deny God and so long as you atheists cannot prove that God does not exist you must always deal with the question 'what is evolution or was it God'.

This is too profoundly incoherent for my poor powers of divination. I'll try and take this bit by bit. Science neither denies God nor wants to. Science does not deal with God. God is supernatural, remember? Science deals with the natural. So if this has any meaning whatever, it is nothing more than a false dichotomy.

You keep demanding that religion should somehow control what science does, but you've never answered a question I've asked repeatedly, "Which religion(s) should control science in the United States, Italy, India, and China?"

I object again to the characterization of all who accept the theory of evolution as atheists. I object to the characterization of all posters to this forum who accept the theory of evolution as atheists. You can set yourself up as the arbiter of who or who isn't an atheist or a Christian, or an adherent of some other religion acceptable you'll accept, but you're going to have a difficult time convincing anyone else to pay any attention to you. Especially after the behavior you've displayed on these threads.

"What is evolution or was it God" as a question is right up there with "What color is the font or was the my elbow sneezing at the rumination?"

G3K: However, myself and the anti-evolutionists here are not saying that 'God did it' therefore evolution is false. We are dealing with what science can deal with, with evidence. And guess what, you are losing, losing badly and that is why you are trying to dismiss alternatives with rhetorical nonsense.

Regarding "anti-evolutionists," you are painting with too broad a brush. There are many here who do say "God did it and therefore evolution is false," and are at least honest about it. These are the ones who post bits of the Bible in an attempt to convince others that evolution couldn't have happened.

There are others here who say "God did it, and evolution was the means He chose." Many other posters appear to hold this position. This would also appear to be the Pope's position, although the Pope was careful to distinguish between man and animals. I realize you've already quote-mined the Pope's statement on the matter, but your wishful thinking notwithstanding, the Pope has stated clearly that belief in evolution is not inconsistent with Catholic teaching. It's easy to check what's being taught Catholic schools, by the way.

Then there are those who appear to never admit the most obvious mistakes, can't form a coherent paragraph, frame an argument, or recognize any evidence that doesn't fit their preconceived notions of how the world works. Hint: Who complains that evolutionists are always changing their story? That's another thing science does that you refuse to recognize. It changes theories to fit the facts.

Your assertions regarding science and how it works are meaningless until you've grasped what science is.

1,215 posted on 07/23/2002 8:54:08 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
Animal whack morphing theories is 100% superstition...000% science...

evo--whack moonie marx-darwin-zombie swill!

Science/reality is anti-possibilty(infinite/irrational)...

Science has to be predictable-probable-facts(finite/rational)---

Science must limit itself to the non-philosophical/spiritual higher world!

Asking evolutionists about science/Truth is like asking cannibals about vegetarianism/solar system!

1,224 posted on 07/23/2002 12:55:02 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Gumlegs
Animal whack morphing theories is 100% superstition...000% science...

evo--whack moonie marx-darwin-zombie swill!

Science/reality is anti-possibilty(infinite/irrational)---speculations--DELUSIONS---EGO WHIMS/FLIPS---DENIALS...

Science has to be predictable-probable-facts(finite/rational)---LAWS---LAWS...

Science must limit itself to the non-philosophical/spiritual higher world of TRUTH-CERTAINTY-ABSOLUTES!

Asking evolutionists about science/Truth is like asking cannibals about vegetarianism/solar system!

1,226 posted on 07/23/2002 1:02:55 PM PDT by f.Christian
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