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Expert: Body dumped after defendant fell under suspicion (SO WHO DUMPED DANIELLE VAN DAM'S BODY??)
Union Trib ^ | July 11, 2002 | Steve Perez/Greg Magnus

Posted on 07/11/2002 6:47:45 AM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: cyncooper
As I recall, there were both kinds of dogs. And the "hit" you are referring to was the one reported (3 weeks later in a "confidential" email to another person) by a volunteer dog handler, who, for some reason which he has not fully explained, neglected at the time to report the alleged "hit." A sheriff's deputy who was present and was watching the search says the dog did not "hit."

I find it astounding that you think that dog-handler guy's testimony was at all credible.

721 posted on 07/11/2002 5:36:44 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: Jaded
Are you surprised that the affidavits were released when Dusek was doing so well?

Well, since the FIRECRACKERS won't help, I will ask you. Where are these UNSEALED affidavits? I have been to SDChannel.com.

722 posted on 07/11/2002 5:38:09 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
Voluntary intoxication will never reduce murder to manslaughter, so I doubt that this is what is in whatever paper you all are discussing.
723 posted on 07/11/2002 5:38:53 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: Karson
You mean the one who said (early on this thread) she was fixing to go out and plant something? ;-)

Yep. Maybe plant the theory in a shoe-box next to Goldy the goldfish and Earl the dead cat.

(sorry I didn't reply earlier. It was time to go to the tavern for a couple of games of chess & collect on a bet)

724 posted on 07/11/2002 5:38:54 PM PDT by dread78645
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To: Jaded
"Are you surprised that the affidavits were released when Dusek was doing so well?"

Not at all. And I also notice that with the courtroom dark for the next week or so, news would have been slow. How nice for the media?

725 posted on 07/11/2002 5:39:26 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: Henrietta
OMG, that dog handler! Frazee! He did so much damage and Dusek had the gall to bring him back!!! IDIOT??
726 posted on 07/11/2002 5:39:39 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: RnMomof7
Just one more thought ..there is no evidence that DW IS an alcoholic...there is evidence he is an alchol abuser.. ( not unusual)....

I'm not sure of what distinction you are suggesting. I didn't mean to split hairs, over definitions.

I said he had an alcohol problem. A DUI six years ago, I girlfriend leaving him earlier this year, and a statement to police he didn't remember driving home.

You are free to call that alcoholism, or alcohol abuse. I call it a situation where a blackout could be plausible, very plausible.

Obviously I don't know it to be a fact; just reasoned speculation about what could be part of the crime.

In spite of all the noise about the VDs I haven't heard about their DUIs, drug busts, etc. I know how much that disappoints our regular readers.

But you'd sure think it would come out, what with Rick Roberts and all the well informed San Diego PD folks leaking.

For blackouts: I don't know the extent of your knowledge, but I would expect you have read of cases where people do remarkably normal tasks, in a full blackout.

727 posted on 07/11/2002 5:39:41 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Henrietta
Sorry, I don't have a link for you.
It was filed many months ago ... just news to some THREADHOUNDS.
728 posted on 07/11/2002 5:40:18 PM PDT by fnord
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To: truth_seeker
Most alcoholics will say that if someone has blackouts or 'drinking problems' that interferes with his or her relationships etc., it was time to get help a long time ago.
729 posted on 07/11/2002 5:42:17 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: truth_seeker
... a statement to police he didn't remember driving home.

Is this what yall are basing your 'blackout' hypothesis on!? I;ve been wondering where this theory came from.

Maybe he didn't remember anything about driving home that night because nothing memorable happened? I don't remember any details of my drive home, from the time I got on the interstate til when I got off. And that was just today, not 3 days ago, lol. OMG!!! I was in a blackout. ROFL!

730 posted on 07/11/2002 5:44:02 PM PDT by fnord
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To: Henrietta
I thought Murder II could be reduced to involuntary manslaughter if the person was drunk and wouldn't have done it sober. Does it depend on what state one lives in?
731 posted on 07/11/2002 5:45:32 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: fnord
I posted the excerpt from the police interview..did you read it? HE admitted to cops being so drunk he couldn't remember driving home. He said "..that's how bad it was.." That's if you think he's telling the truth and since ya'll believe everything he says...you must believe his statement ot police.
732 posted on 07/11/2002 5:47:09 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: juzcuz
Just provide some definitions and I will display them on the THESAURUS
733 posted on 07/11/2002 5:47:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
I've asked some others following this and the only thing out there so far are press releases. No full fledged court docs yet. Surprised? Ummm, not me.
734 posted on 07/11/2002 5:47:51 PM PDT by Jaded
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To: All; UCANSEE2; FresnoDA; Henrietta
NOW THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A CASE FOR US TO HAVE SOLVED. :-)

At the 1994 annual awards dinner given for Forensic Science, AAFS President Dr Don Harper Mills astounded his audience with the legal complications of a bizarre death. Here is the story.

On March 23, 1994 the medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a shotgun wound to the head. Mr. Opus had jumped from the top of a ten-story building intending to commit suicide.

He left a note to the effect indicating his despondency. As he fell past the ninth floor his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast passing through a window, which killed him instantly. In the room on the ninth floor, where the shotgun blast emanated, was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. They were arguing vigorously And he was threatening her with a shotgun. The man was so upset that when he pulled the trigger he completely missed his wife and the pellets went through the window striking Mr. Opus. When one intends to kill subject "A" but kills subject "B" in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject "B."

When confronted with the murder charge the old man and his wife were both adamant and both said that they thought the shotgun was unloaded. The old man said it was a long-standing habit to threaten his wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention of murdering her. Therefore the killing of Mr. Opus appeared to be an accident; that is, if the gun had been accidentally loaded.

The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple's son loading the shotgun about six weeks prior to the fatal accident. It transpired that the old lady had cut off her son's financial support and the son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that his father would shoot his mother. Since the loader of the gun was aware of this, he is guilty of the murder even though he didn't actually pull the trigger. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus.

Now comes the exquisite twist. Further investigation revealed that the son was, in fact, Ronald Opus. He had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to engineer his mother's murder. This led him to jump off the ten story building on March 23rd, only to be killed by a shotgun blast passing through the ninth story window. The son had actually murdered himself so the medical examiner closed the case as a suicide. (A true story from Associated Press, Reported by Kurt Westervelt)

735 posted on 07/11/2002 5:48:22 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: Jaded
I've only been able to find the motions that have been on the site since the start...nothing new.
736 posted on 07/11/2002 5:48:49 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: Henrietta
Voluntary intoxication will never reduce murder to manslaughter, so I doubt that this is what is in whatever paper you all are discussing.

(1)It is nice to know we have someone with legal experience.

(2) I won't argue with you on this, because I am guessing based on what I had heard. I thought I did find the actual motion, but it doesn't have details on exactly how it was to be used.

737 posted on 07/11/2002 5:50:14 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
The threadhounds are HOWLING tonight!!
738 posted on 07/11/2002 5:50:15 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: Rheo
Catch my post at #735. Now that was a case to solve
739 posted on 07/11/2002 5:50:17 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: redlipstick
lol, I thought you self-defined the THREADHOUND, rofl. and it fits too :-)
740 posted on 07/11/2002 5:51:24 PM PDT by fnord
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