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Expert: Body dumped after defendant fell under suspicion (SO WHO DUMPED DANIELLE VAN DAM'S BODY??)
Union Trib ^ | July 11, 2002 | Steve Perez/Greg Magnus

Posted on 07/11/2002 6:47:45 AM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: Blue Screen of Death
I tuned in to CourtTV yesterday for the first time and I could not stand listening to these women!! Thanks to FR, I can get the info. right here instead of listening to some angry women whine on TV.

By the way, is it true that the VD's just made some major purchases with life ins. $$$?

361 posted on 07/11/2002 1:31:50 PM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: UCANSEE2
P.S. Clarification. By MOB PYSCHOLOGY I was referring to getting the emotions of all the MOTHERS of young girls stirred up by news stories of CHILD PORN. Then they followed up with the tie-ins. HOSE LEFT OUT. LEFT LEVELLERS IN DESERT. BLINDS CLOSED, and on and on and on. THings they knew would get the MOB really stirred up.

no, YOU SAY,,,,, WELLLLLL THEN how come you hear some many cries of LYNCH HIM, LYNCH HIM, from the OVEREMOTIONAL,UNDER......... MOB?

362 posted on 07/11/2002 1:37:26 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: RnMomof7
I believe that the little girl was being sexually abused by her dad..she died accidently and because an autopsy would have outed that they had the kidnapping.. I believe he is a sexual pervert ..

That is exactly what I think happened. The 'lifestyle' of these two shows them to be acting out in wildly inappropriate ways. Even assuming arguendo that DW loaded whatever kiddie porn there is on the computer there is no evidence that he has ever come close to acting out his fantasies, whereas DVD and BVD crossed the 'acting out' Rubicon long, long ago.

Now, the really interesting question is: if the 'bug' evidence is correct, then DVD had to have an accomplice free (and willing) to dump the body on or about the 16th. Another of the lying 'swingers'? Who knows?

But these 'parents' -- using the term loosely -- had 'suspect' written all over them from day one.

363 posted on 07/11/2002 1:37:27 PM PDT by winstonchurchill
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To: pinz-n-needlez
I'm still confused on the comforter/fiber/laundry issues.

When Keene and Parga went thru the house and MH in the morning of 2/4..no comforters on beds and 1 on top of dryer...dirty, like it had been camping..2 taken to dry cleaners..no fibers found.

When 2/5 seizures began..in the washer there were sheets, towels, pillowcases and bedspreads (plural is theirs).

2/5...the bedspread was on the bed in the MH and one laying on the MB bed.

Did DW wash and take the dirty spread that was on top of the dryer 2/4 and take it to the MH that afternoon?...no fibers found.

Then come home and put another load or two in before 2:30 (that's when Keene showed back up to take him to the station) that contained the source of orange fibers?...no orange fibers found in MH so source from there seems unlikely.....yet all his laundry found in and on the W/D had the orange fibers.

Where did the MB comforter come from (no fibers found)

How many dang comforters does this man have?

Seems to me that whatever the source of the orange fibers was...it was placed in the W/D sometime between Keene/Parga/Rays visit at 12pm of 2/4 and 2:30pm on 2/4.

No orange fibers found in lint ball in garage garbage, none found in his house except for the laundry and pillowcase in MB(which had no blue fiber).

Or the laundry in W/D was done by Neil between 3:30 pm on 2/4 and 11pm on 2/4....no orange fibers testified to being in his room.

Have I confused you further??

364 posted on 07/11/2002 1:38:00 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: mommya
I just don't trust the ME.. Blackburn--

I want to know why the defense did not call for and independent pathologist to examine the body when it was available?

ME said that there was 'NO' evidence that the body was covered... Well, there must have been evidence of the coroners cover. Oh, the 10-20+ Poly/cot-white fibers was that from the coroners cover?.. . Well how did the 19+ blue/gray Nylon fibers get there??? I don't know, but that seems to be an awful lot of nylon and poly/cotton.
365 posted on 07/11/2002 1:41:04 PM PDT by juzcuz
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To: hsmomx3
By the way, is it true that the VD's just made some major purchases with life ins. $$$?

It was RUMOR that the VD's got $100,000 insurance form Danielle's death. We have never found PROOF this is true. We assume he had some kinda insurance policy, but the real amount is , so far, speculation/rumor.

The VD's did buy a BMW in, I believe APRIL. We would assume they got rid of their other vehicle (Damon's) which was a blue toyota van, (as far as we know). The reason I say that is that the OTHER vehicle was a BIG FORD EXPEDITION, very late model. Doubtful they turned that puppy in for trade.

The last RUMOR is that BRENDA just bought an $850,000 house up in CARMEL. WE , at this point, still have NO PROOF. This was first heard on the RICK ROBERTS show , and one other daytime TV show (don't remember the name), but we STILL HAVE NO PROOF.

We don't know if they sold their house in Sabre Springs (reportedly Damon is still living there).

That is what we really know, right now.

366 posted on 07/11/2002 1:43:04 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: pinz-n-needlez
Were blue/gray fibers found in the laundry on the 4th?

In the washing machine laundry...orange fibers...blue fibers.

On top of dryer..orange fibers, blue fibers

In dryer..orange fibers, blue fibers

MB pillowcase..10-20 orange fibers..no blue.

Blue towel on washer..multiple red, orange, blue acrylic, green acrylic fibers.

Gray towel..red, orange and blue.

White bath towel..red, orange, blue acrylic fibers.

White mens underwear and dark socks..red, orange blue acrylic fibers.

The red fibers were polyester, rayon and acrylic....NONE matched the red fibers found all over the body or in her hair.

Total of 10 blue/gray fibers found in laundry.

Wonder if someone was wearing blue/gray when the orange fiber was introduced into the laundry??

367 posted on 07/11/2002 1:44:15 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: All
Gee, seems like the FIREWORKS are over for a little while.

Probably have some more when people get home.

368 posted on 07/11/2002 1:46:33 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Rheo
Wonder if someone was wearing blue/gray when the orange fiber was introduced into the laundry??

Close your eyes while someone reads this statement to you. What picture do you see?

369 posted on 07/11/2002 1:47:54 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Jaded
I like it.......especially because they are creepy and spooky. LOL !!!!!
370 posted on 07/11/2002 1:48:03 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: agarrett
Thank you for a response..I appreciate it and wonder if you could answer further.

when? Obviously, on the night of Feb 2. The alarm lights and open doors provide windows for someone to access the house. The implication, clearly, is that Westerfield is that person. How? By entering through the doors.

Which timeline would be used for this?...between 3:00am and 3:30?..DVD had to walk past her door to take Layla to Dereks room..just bad luck he didn't notice the door was open now, even with the street light shining thru her open blinds on the window?

As far as the murder itself...were would the urine/feces, blood, hair etc from this little girl be?...wasn't found in the MH...unless you count the 1 hair in the sink drain...her print is on a cabinet...did she break thru the restraint he would have had on her, without leaving hair on the fabric headboard or anywere else?

Just too many things don't add up...the prosecution offered no answers to them.

371 posted on 07/11/2002 1:52:57 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: pyx
Because he has to choose:

A. Three years for killin Westerfield (He needed killin Judge!)

or

B. Death for killing Danielle.

The choice is clear.
372 posted on 07/11/2002 1:55:14 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: UCANSEE2
Ott and Keyser
373 posted on 07/11/2002 1:56:29 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: Rheo
YES, OLLIE and STANLEY, you got it correct !
374 posted on 07/11/2002 1:58:45 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
Don't forget my favorite:

"Premature Accusation"
375 posted on 07/11/2002 2:01:05 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: winstonchurchill
Great Post! I don't know exactly how it happened but I just don't see DW coming home in his Toyota--at some point crossing the street-- breaking into VD's home--quietly climbs up the stairs and carries out Danielle all while intoxicated and without disturbing the dog. I know the dog doesn't bark (supposedly) but he would have been clawing at the br door and made some kind of disturbance. Then he has to carry her back to his house which is very risky if a neighbor happens to see him. He would do all this because he has a compulsion to kill a child at that moment. I just can't buy that with no evidence of past convictions or even accusations.
376 posted on 07/11/2002 2:02:46 PM PDT by the-gooroo
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To: winstonchurchill
Now, the really interesting question is: if the 'bug' evidence is correct, then DVD had to have an accomplice free (and willing) to dump the body on or about the 16th. Another of the lying 'swingers'? Who knows?

I do not believe the parents were under surveilance like DW was. I think they were free to come and go pretty much..

The folks here keep pointing out DVD long sleeve shirts. At first we thought they were covering track marks, more recently some have speculated that they covered Poison oak (where the body was found)

Also they sold the van..would the dogs have smelled her?

IMHO This guy is being protected for a reason..perhaps a politician that would not want his swinging lifestyle outed??

377 posted on 07/11/2002 2:03:48 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: UCANSEE2
Couldn't figure out why the other hair results taken from the SUV were never disclosed.....cuz they were probably Ott & Keysers from the 2/4 SUV sit in and didn't want attention drawn to the fact that they were in there and left trace...(could happen)
378 posted on 07/11/2002 2:04:13 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: RnMomof7
Detective Holmes testified that the VD's were under MEDIA surveillence..not police.

Can't imagine why we didn't hear about their every move then.....don't imagine the PR firm or Diane could have called them off at times.

379 posted on 07/11/2002 2:06:49 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: Rheo
By George, I think you've got it!
380 posted on 07/11/2002 2:09:06 PM PDT by Karson
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