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But aren't we living in Very Strange Times when Everything is Changing? Who in heck woulda thought Jesse Ventura would be in a gov'ner's mansion?

It looks to me that a lot of people, right or wrong - but I beleive the number will increase as the economy sinks - don't see integrity in the last Prez or this one.

Whether that is fair or not is another matter. The economy has been half-fake for a Long time - much longer than Bush was in office - a reckoning was coming. Came under our watch. Bad luck there. But when the ship sinks the man at the helm takes the blame, fair or not, if I recall my history. Bush is being Hoovered. Still, if he is successfully Hoovered, then the lack of confidence will continue to destroy the market, which means they must find a Credible replacement. It's the sacrificial goat thing, but sometimes you Need a sacrificial goat. I'm putting this all on an entirely realistic basis from what I know of human nature and group behavior. We may need a Captain who looks like Total Mr. Clean when it comes to finances and such, because this storm is a money-storm.

Hit me in the head, and I can't agree with everything he says, but I do think that Pat Buchanan, for instance, projects an image of ferocious integrity and rock solid Americanism. I would be Really surprised if you can find anything at all dubious in his background. Maybe in this atmosphere of general disgust, he would pull a Lot more votes than people think.

Not that I'm saying it should be pat. It's a middle of the night poll and I haven't thought this out that much. I'm tired. I'm dismayed. The world is going to hell and who listens to me?

Or to any of us any more, other than to keep us quiet, throw us bones, and count on us when the going gets tough, even as they close their ears?

Okay, to answer your question - with Clinton tarred for everything, Bush for the economy (it's the economy, stupid) and maybe the electorate tired of both parties, which I think was evinced by the close election and dismal turnout - maybe a George Washington Honest guy would make people flock to the polls.

Of course, he'd be sabotaged by the current apparatus, and be getting it from both sides. That would be a problem.

Hey, why don't you run ;')

#8 is a sore point with me.

However, realistically, I'm much more conservative than the average voter and Bush is closer to the norm of our citizens, IMO. Even as Governor of Texas, he was not known as a exceptionally conservative governor. He was known for his honesty/integrity/sincerity/fairness... and not a wave maker. He tended to draw the "enemy" into his camp and neutralize them. As a result our Democrat Lt. Governor Bullock actually supported Bush for Governor during his second run for office.

However, he tends to pick excellent judges and surrounds himself w/capable people. He is certainly what we need in these trying times against the Islamic Fundamentalist war.

In 2004, it's either Bush or a Hitlary/Edwards choice. It's a no brainer.

Ok, do you believe that Ventura (or any other third party candidate) could defeat the Democrat (asuming it's hands down on Bush) in a national election?

Ouch, that name again, just when we Minnesotans were rejoicing at Jesse's petulant departure from the gubernatorial field. No, Jesse doesn't have a prayer . . . and that's true in more ways than one. His negatives are sky-high in Minnesota. The bloom is off "The Body," as a St. Paul Pioneer Press columnist wrote.