A Bush Hater's Poll

Jim Robinson

[Amelia]

What college did Alan Keyes attend?

Ph.D. in government from Haaaaaa-vaaaad.

That's Harvard for us Southerners.

[Kush]

Definitely #1 and #8. Distressingly so. But I guess I can live with that, considering what the alternatives are. Besides, I swore 10 years ago that I would never vote for another Democrat again,(and no, it wasn't for Klintoon, it was for Butterworth, Florida's A.G.) and the poll choices I noted aren't enough to consider breaking that vow. Not even close.

[Jhoffa_]

Although I am not a "bush hater" I would like to participate in your poll regardless.

Things I don't like about Dubya Bush:

1) Fits.

2) (I wonder about this one allot...)

4) Fits.

6) Fits.

8) DEFINATELY. To an extreme.

13) Dubya has a habbit of coming out of the box in a very Conservative fashion, we all cheer and are proud and then somewhere along the line he tempers his response and dilutes it to the point that it becomes all but meaningless and arbitrary. (Look at the "Bush doctrine" and CFR for example)

..state whether you believe that President Bush should be defeated even if it means installing a Democrat in the Whitehouse.

NO. Until and Unless there comes a Democrat more Conservative than we are (or Dubya is) and is sincere about it, NO WAY.

Please state who you would like to see win the Presidency in 2004 and whether or not you believe he/she has a chance of winning.

I don't have a particular favorite as of yet, 2004 is a long way off chronologically and even further politically. I will see what the primary yeilds then in terms of candidates at that time.

All things being equal, I will probably vote for the most Conservative candidate in the Primary and then back whomever the Rino wing of the party shafts me with in the General.

(And PS: Completely off topic.. There was a thread pulled the other day and it was replaced by a placeholder page stating the time it was pulled, who pulled it and why. I think that's a great feature for FR and I hope you keep it.)

Regards Mr. Robinson.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

I thought as much.

So I agree with B.A.Conservative.

he wasn't blindly trashing the President, he knows of what he speaks.

I need to rethink this whole thing. Wow.

[Jesse]

Well, that's not quite the same thing as playground reasonless name calling, as I do recall excoriating Bush for trying to have it both ways, but since you seem to be unable to grasp the essence of critical reasoning, I guess I can see where you are coming from.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Yes, that does seem like a biggie to a lot of people. I was pretty surprised myself. Wonder how the Texas rank and file feel about it?

Oh, I may be able to help with that Jim. Here are a few post from some Texans regarding this immigration issue.

Why no! Nothing like that could happen to the great "Republic of Texas". We've got the Alamo. Why, our motto is "Don't Mess With Texas". We print it on T-shirts and refridgerator magnets and everything. We are the biggest braggarts and chest beaters in the nation. You don't know what you are talking about.

Illegal Mexicans aren't taken over Texas. Texas is conquering Mexico. yeah, that's it. That's the ticket. we will just keep telling ourselves that. That way we won't have our overblown pride hurt. Yeah! Thats it.

570 posted on 3/13/02 9:38 PM Pacific by southern rock [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 564 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

____________________________________________________________ So the millions of illegals in the state of Texas don't bother you huh?

Hey Joe, here is one Texan that is bothered by the millions of illegals in Texas. We're flooded up to our necks in illegals in this part of Texas, and I've hadenuf! Deport them all now, and throw in the illegal alien luvin' Texans as well if they love them so very much.

70 posted on 3/21/02 11:43 PM Pacific by Eddie Haskell [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

____________________________________________________________ I live in Houston - I SEE that the Mexicans have no intention of adopting American culture. They live, work and breed Mexico.

(no, not all of them - but a majority)

88 posted on 5/31/02 8:11 AM Pacific by Flyer

______________________________________________________ "Some 1,800 colonias, or shantytowns that developed without services like water or sewers, have emerged along the Texas-Mexico border."

These colonias are mostly populated by illegal aliens that shouldn't even be here in the first place!

Hell, you can drive around the city limits of Austin, Texas and find Messcuns living just like they did in Messco. A trashed out trailer home surrounded by a mini junk yard: Old rusted out cars, old refrigerators, old stoves, and misc. piles of garbage.

We could dump all of the money in the State Treasury into fixing up the colonias, and they'd have 'em trashed out again within a year! This is something that is ingrained in the culture, and throwing money at the problem won't change a thing.

16 posted on 6/7/02 9:19 AM Pacific by Destructor

Oh, and I have more from just about every single state in this country. Let me know if you would like to see more. Thanks for the great thread.

[ArneFufkin]

I cannot conceive of ANY disengaged but righteous American who now knows, and upon knowing, would not immediately support the terminiation of all taxpayer benefits to visiting or illegally resident foreign nationals. I can't go to Ramsey County and get food stamps ... I live in Hennepin County. I'm a non resident. A family fresh off the plane from Santa FE and directed by Communist church or human rights agencies can go to Ramsey County and get food stamps, preventative and emergency health care, transportation vouchers, housing benefits and immmediate enrollment in St. Paul Public Schools! Jeez Loueez, a mounting of arrogance and no lube in play. None of our neighbors and workmates would abide this. It's so unjust, there's no halfway! Even with the suburban or blue collar door knobs who voted for Gore .... they don't know about this! The Teachers sure as hell do!!!! They're getting illiterate immigrants dropped into their 7th grade Geometry classes! It's an ongling scandal of leviathan proportions. Let's give the bad guys a humorless beat down in this campaign. Sending non-English kids here illegally directly into the schools.

That's bullshit. That needs to be changed, and the 60s counterculture creeps who keep screwing us need to be removed. Wit' a quickness It's all political, therefore is is all DOABLE! IT'S ALL DOABLE!!!!

Let's organize our efforts here on FR! Seriously. Blitzkreig those Marxist theifs and systematically yet gently guide vulnerable indigent non-resident Mexican women, elderly and children back to their homes. Let the worms know we're in the territory, and we're scent marking our kingdom left and right. Hey LaRaza Commies .... why don't you help returning families repatriate their Mexican communities with a secure and ongoing buffer? Those asswipes won't glance at any family returning to Mexico ... not their agenda.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Those who brush away the one-world government, globalist agenda, are those who obviously do not read the Bible.

Obviously. Kind of like people who don't think God knows what is in their hearts. Some people think the idea that He does is a real joke, worth pinging their friends to point and laugh about...can you imagine?

[Grampa Dave]

He would be a good police chief for LA, Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago, St Louis or DC.

Just get him out of Portland and preferrably back east somewhere and he can take his ASS. chief with him.

They are really two face hypocrites! It depends on their personal dark side agenda re who is good or bad.

[GunsareOK]

1 and 8. I'd like to add one of my own: He seems to lack the courage of his convictions. His waffling has made Daschle, McCain, and Lay-me (Leahy) the defacto domestic presidents. He refuses to veto the most odious legislation and uses the "bully pulpit" of the presidency too rarely. It's as if he won't act unless 70% of the voters are behind him. This isn't leadership.

Arming the pilots is a no-brainer. It should have been done by the end of September 2001 (if not years before). I will vote for Howard Philips if he runs in 2004.

[Starwind]

If the most conservative hard-line republican alive today was running for President, he'd probably get creamed. The people are not ready for it. And I doubt that there are millions of Republican voters sitting on their hands because Bush is not conservative enough.

Seriously;
- I'd settle for more conservative to start with, most conservative is an ideal, but 'more' would be the right direction (pun intended)

- Which people are not ready? The ones who vote democratic, or the ones who voted for Reagan, Perot and Buchanan? And running Dole/Kemp was enough make anyone sit on their hands. There was a lame ticket.

- Maybe not miilions, but a few hundred to swing the outcome in 2000, absolutely. Bush would have lost had it not been for Nader 'swinging' votes from Gore.

yes, I'm thinking about your poll and will post a response to it later...

[Carry_Okie]

This statement by Lyn Nofzinger is my observations: "Presidents, regardless of party, face constant pressures from the Left -- from the Big Brother government, neofascist, high tax, property-confiscating liberals, from the econazis and global warmists, from the pro-abortionists, from those who are pro-one world and anti-American and from those who advocate cradle-to-grave socialism. (Have I left anyone out?) And, unless there are constant counter-pressures from those on the Right who believe in small government, low taxes, America first and individual liberty, presidents, under Left-wing pressure, tend to drift that way." --Lyn Nofziger We need to cheer when he does right. We need to grumble that it isn't enough. We need to scream when he even hints at compromise. All of it. Supporting a President really means applying counterpressure to keep him from toppling.

[Michael2001]

1
8
13- The way he backed down on the ICC

I'll probably vote for him anyway, the alternative is worse; but I'll vote half-heartedly and I know a lot of people who will be staying home that day.

[Amelia]

We need to cheer when he does right. We need to grumble that it isn't enough. We need to scream when he even hints at compromise. All of it. Supporting a President really means applying counterpressure to keep him from toppling.

Very good points. A lot of people on here keep forgetting the first part, I think.

[Sabertooth]

OK, I'll play. The Amnesty is GOOD IDEA. Let's get everybody here who is illegal counted, identified and sanctioned. Sooner the bettrer.

I don't care if they snuck across the border or not. I want to know who is here, where they are and what they are doing. I'll swallow my indignation for the bigger win.

OK, you've still not played.

When Illegals are Amnestied, they count against our immigration caps. That means that law-abiding immigrant candidates are displaced by every Amestied Illegal.

Do you approve of an Amnesty that rewards lawbreakers at the expense of would-be immigrants who want to play by our rules?

[browardchad]

Wonder how the Texas rank and file feel about it?

I've got family and friends in Texas -- not political junkies, but conservatives, and more importantly, voters. They're disgusted with Bush's immigration policies; particularly 245(i).

I was pretty surprised myself.

After 9/11, I'm not surprised. I think the average American was fatalistic about immigration before that, but the stories of corruption, malaise and diplomatic manipulation within the immigration system since then have made immigration, and our national insecurity, a major concern -- but not to Bush, which is painfully obvious. How he can fight a war on terror, while allowing the terrorist population to be replaced on a daily basis, is a bizarre contradiction in terms. Sure, he doesn't have much control, given the makeup of the Senate -- but keeping his mouth shut on 245(i), and at least making some token committment to controlling runaway immigration, would go a long way with potential Republican ship-jumpers. In this and other respects, he doesn't seem capable of adapting to changing circumstances -- i.e., the mood of the American people -- and adaptation has historically proved to be the province of survivors.

As far as the poll goes, I choose 1,2 and 8. The jury's still out on 3 and 5.

No, I won't vote for a Demoncrat, and no, there's no conservative on the horizon who has a chance of keeping the jackals (in both parties) at bay. Lately, I keep thinking of Rush's chant when Clinton was first elected: "America held hostage." Maybe now, it should be changed to "Conservatives held hostage."

[Quicksilver]

United States of America's President and Armed Forces Commander In Chief, George Walker Bush, understands and practices politics in ways that have "Democrats" tearing out their hair and scraping the bottom of their barrels of envy and hatred and rage and lies in their FRuitless efforts to shake either him and/or America's faith and trust in and of him.

He is, thank God -- and will be for the next six and a half years -- my President.

Whoopee.

I declare this as the MVP (Most Valuable Post) of this thread!

George W. Bush is, thank God -- and will be for the next six and a half years -- my President.

[ArneFufkin]

MI, if we can reestablish a market dynamic that only rewards those who have a employable skill, those who don't will go back to Grandma and their schoolmates and the ladies with the inside poop down at the market. But, we need to make movement of working FNs back to their families sweet, easy yet supervisable. If a guy can go back to Mexico every weekend to hold his wife and love his kids, the family can stay there. He needs to be readmitted cleanly but with close verification. Fox needs to attack and kill the Mexican smuggling cartels raping our borders.

If Miguel can go see his parents and kids every weekend, if Maria can visit her husband in Arizona to share his birthday ... Miguel and Maria will follow legal mandates. Then ... you and your guys can start policing REALLY BAD guys who bring drugs, weapons and perhaps terrorist ugliness across the border. You can ply your craft MI! No more standing with a woman and her two elderly aunts who are all babbling and sobbing incoherently. It's alpha male pounding a MexiMafia creep who's bringing plastic explosives to the religion of peace dandies in the biggest Austin Mosque.

That's fun and duty worth getting up every morning for sir! Let's take the confused nitwits out of your equation, so you can do some world-class police work.

[rhema]

Ok, do you believe that Ventura (or any other third party candidate) could defeat the Democrat (asuming it's hands down on Bush) in a national election?

Ouch, that name again, just when we Minnesotans were rejoicing at Jesse's petulant departure from the gubernatorial field. No, Jesse doesn't have a prayer . . . and that's true in more ways than one. His negatives are sky-high in Minnesota. The bloom is off "The Body," as a St. Paul Pioneer Press columnist wrote.

[leadpenny]

Conversely, if you believe President Bush should be re-elected, please state why.

Jim, don't know why I've avoided this thread until now, but I've seen nothing to convince me that he will run in '04. His dad gave it up in '92 without looking like he was giving it up, IMO. Of course, if he decides to run for re-election, I'll support him. By this time next year he may have decided he's had enough. Or, more importantly, he may feel he has done enough.