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U.S. Backs Down From Immunity Demand
abc ^ | 7/10/02

Posted on 07/10/2002 7:58:44 PM PDT by knak

UNITED NATIONS July 10 — The United States on Wednesday backed off from its demand for permanent immunity for U.S. peacekeepers from the new war crimes tribunal, proposing instead a ban on any investigation of its peacekeepers for a year.

In the face of intense criticism from countries around the world, including close allies, U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte circulated the new proposal to the U.N. Security Council after an open council meeting.

The United States earlier had threatened to end U.N. peacekeeping if it didn't get open-ended immunity for peacekeepers from countries that have not ratified the Rome treaty establishing the court, which came into existence on July 1. The treaty has been signed by 139 countries and ratified by 76, including all 15 members of the European Union.

The United States has been demanding immunity on grounds that other countries could use the new court for frivolous and politically motivated prosecutions of American soldiers. The position has put the Bush administration at odds with its closest allies and the rest of the world.

The new draft U.S. resolution asks the court for a 12-month exemption from investigation or prosecution of peacekeepers and "expresses the intention to renew the request ... for further 12 month periods for as long as may be necessary."

Many Security Council members said the new U.S.-proposed resolution didn't go far enough. Nonetheless, they called the mood positive and said for the first time the United States appeared willing to negotiate.

Britain's U.N. Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock, the current council president, called the U.S. proposal "a fair basis for discussion" and said consultations would continue on Thursday.

At the open council meeting, ambassadors from nearly 40 countries criticized the U.S. demand for immunity, saying it would affect peacekeeping and stability from the Balkans to Africa. Only India offered some sympathy to the U.S. position.

Canada's U.N. Ambassador Paul Heinbecker, who requested the open meeting, warned that the United States was putting the credibility of the Security Council, the legality of international treaties, and the principle that all people are equal and accountable before the law at stake.

Washington last month vetoed a six-month extension of the 1,500-strong U.N. police training mission in Bosnia and a yearlong extension of the authorization for the 18,000-strong NATO-led peacekeeping force and then gave the missions two reprieves, the latest until July 15.

Its argument of the fear of politically motivated prosecutions was rejected by speakers from the European Union, Latin America, Africa and Asia who countered that the Rome treaty had sufficient safeguards to prevent. First and foremost, the court will step in only when states are unwilling or unable to dispense justice for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide.

The draft U.S. resolution makes no mention of immunity.

Under the U.S. proposal, any peacekeeper who was exempt from investigation or prosecution for a year could then be investigated and prosecuted if the exemption was not renewed though no U.N. peacekeeper has ever been charged with a war crime.

"We have for one year a total freedom," said Richard Grenell, spokesman for the U.S. Mission, who said this was sufficient time to bring any American suspect home, thus out of reach of the court.

"What we have been focused on is ensuring that American men and women are not within the reach of the International Criminal Court," he said. "What we have been able to offer today ... (is) that for a period of 12 months they would have that immunity."

But the U.S. draft still raises serious questions for some council members.

The Rome treaty allows the Security Council to request a 12-month deferral of investigation or prosecution by the court on a case-by-case basis.

Diplomats said some council members argued that the U.S. draft would change the statute's intent by giving blanket deferral to peacekeepers.

"It's a very positive attitude on the part of the U.S. to bring a new text which is a step in the right direction," said Mauritius' U.N. Ambassador Jagdish Koonjul, a council member. "I think we are getting closer."

Colombia's U.N. Ambassador Alfonso Valdivieso, also a council member, called the U.S. draft "an improvement" because it was not "in perpetuity."

But both said the blanket deferral for peacekeepers was still an issue.


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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Ole Bubba must stay awake nights wondering why he couldn't get away with his stuff while this president walks all over conservatives & they act like the NOW crowd for Bubba.
41 posted on 07/10/2002 8:46:18 PM PDT by Digger
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To: vaudine
Watch out, that first step is a lu-lu!!
42 posted on 07/10/2002 8:49:46 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: knak
Canada's U.N. Ambassador Paul Heinbecker, who requested the open meeting, warned that the United States was putting the credibility of the Security Council, the legality of international treaties, and the principle that all people are equal and accountable before the law at stake.

Interesting spin. The first two are just fine with me. The third has never been and will never be true. The Clintons of the world who are above the law now will still be above the law ICC or no ICC.

43 posted on 07/10/2002 8:52:13 PM PDT by altair
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To: knak
I am surprised and disappointed that this report by ABC, from the United Nations, is taken as truthful on its face by a lot of posters who should know better by now. I even see the names of a few of the same suckers who were jumping up and down a few weeks ago when that silly "EPA-man-causes-global-warming-Bush-admits" report came out. Only to be laughed off the next day by Bush himself.

Of course, I also see the names of a few "liberaltarians" who like to take a break from their DU circle jerk to stop in and bash Dubya on FR from time to time. Yawn.

44 posted on 07/10/2002 8:52:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: knak
Bush Caves, what a surprise.
45 posted on 07/10/2002 8:53:12 PM PDT by Blackyce
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To: knak
W's moral equivalent to "read my lips". They figure the conservatives will forgive him come November. Inevitable slide to the left.
46 posted on 07/10/2002 8:53:21 PM PDT by Check6
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To: arkfreepdom
Maybe we should wait to see exactly what happens before we start criticizing GW. Man, you people are so transparent.

When something hits the fan and lands all over your face, you can tell by the smell what happened!

47 posted on 07/10/2002 8:54:10 PM PDT by ibme
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To: Blackyce
What'd you guys expect; he still hasnt ever vetoed anything by the way.
48 posted on 07/10/2002 8:54:18 PM PDT by Blackyce
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To: CyberAnt
A year will give us time to UNSIGN the treaty.

I thought the treaty already was unsigned.

49 posted on 07/10/2002 8:54:44 PM PDT by altair
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To: BikerTrash
Makes you wonder who's in charge.

Man, I was giving him accolades for his move a week or two ago; now this. This better be a trick. I'm beginning to wonder who is in charge as well.

50 posted on 07/10/2002 8:56:41 PM PDT by meyer
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To: knak
America should insist on immunity from the muslim/New World Order ICC! And then we should get OUT of Bosnia and Kosovo anyway, and let the Serbs take back what is rightfully theirs!!!!
51 posted on 07/10/2002 8:57:33 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: Mulder
If this happens, it is a f***ing outrage. This would allow the Eurotrash and UN Leftwhores to put our people in the dock for hurting people in the middle of a war.
52 posted on 07/10/2002 9:02:47 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: BikerTrash
Oh, I'm sure the Pragamatists have it all under control.
53 posted on 07/10/2002 9:02:48 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Republican Wildcat
We will not be apart of the ICC, but this article is about immunity from the ICC in our peace keeping forces around the world. This article by the non-partisen :-) ABC would like to make you think the President is signing on to the ICC but he is not. It's about immunity for our troops so they don't get dragged into their court for political reasons, very simular to the way we were kicked off the Human Rights Commission.

This is not a cave in to the U.N. it's an extension to the debate while placing an umbrella over our troops from politically motivated war crimes charges. If we were to piss off every nation by pulling our troops from areas where we are needed most for peacekeeping missions, meanwhile... at the same time we are asking for their support in fighting our war on terrorism, we would be burning a lot of bridges by withdrawing our troops from around the world (which would result in caotic situations in some cases) and possibly force some of our allies to discontinue their support of our efforts.

This is politics on the world stage... That's all. No cave in just postponing a crisis

54 posted on 07/10/2002 9:03:20 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288
Bush goes in the dock first, for being in command of U.S. military forces that are continuously killing non-combattants (unavoidable in our war for survival).
55 posted on 07/10/2002 9:06:32 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: knak; All
Did any of you read the article or did you just read the headline and the first paragraph:

Read on:

"The new draft U.S. resolution asks the court for a 12-month exemption from investigation or prosecution of peacekeepers and "expresses the intention to renew the request ... for further 12 month periods for as long as may be necessary."

Translate that to: For as long as we're expected to be the police force for the world.

56 posted on 07/10/2002 9:07:50 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: Republican Wildcat; altair
"president already unsigned it"

Really?? When did he do that??
57 posted on 07/10/2002 9:08:19 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: Mulder
Three Data Points to Consider:

1. The abcnews.com report was published at 7:35pm Eastern, when the WH would be slow to respond. A sucker punch, via our wonderful, unbiased media. < hah! > I think a better picture will emerge in the morning, so let's wait.

2. The treaty isn't signed, so we could say winged monkeys must fly out out of the UN's a$$ to capture war criminals, and it doesn't matter.

3. The 12 month immunity thing provides a lot of wiggle room.

As long as GWB doesn't sign the treaty, we can do what the heck we need to "in the field" to fight wars and keep the peace. If the UN is willing to take the looped end of the rope, let 'em - we got a war to fight, and we need the UN off of our backs.

(I Still think we should just leave the UN and watch it blow away...)
58 posted on 07/10/2002 9:08:26 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion
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To: terilyn
We don't need Eurotrash or UN permission for an exemption. We should exempt ourselves. That's all.
59 posted on 07/10/2002 9:10:26 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: knak
Okay, I can stand this. The proposal includes the fact we will renew the ban in the future if necessary.

It doesn't really seem to me like we are backtracking much, as we still are demanding immunity.

I would PREFER us sticking to the old proposal, however. It would have ended the matter permanently and if everyone did not agree, we could stop all peacekeeping missions to bring them in line.

Too bad we did not go that route, but at least we aren't going to support something that will keep our troops POSSIBLY open to prosecution.
60 posted on 07/10/2002 9:12:59 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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