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Selig: Team Might Not Make Payroll
Associated Press ^ | 07/10/2002 | Morry Gash

Posted on 07/10/2002 7:30:40 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko

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To: Mike Fieschko
Bud Selig

Amazing how the most inept owner becomes the Commissioner of Baseball.

Just another wart on the office that began with Bowie Kuhn.

BTW - Who did they find to butcher the National Anthem this year? I always wait until playoff, World Series and All-Star games are fully underway before I watch so I don't have to suffer the howlings of some PC-numbskull-du-jour.

41 posted on 07/11/2002 7:51:43 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: N. Theknow
Who did they find to butcher the National Anthem this year?

"Anastacia."

". . . And the rockets gave glare, the bombs bursting in air, gave truth through the night . . ."


42 posted on 07/11/2002 8:02:07 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Timesink
I guess I don't know the rules of baseball as well as I should, but how could both teams "run out of pitchers"?!?! Did they all have heart attacks in the bullpen or something? There were plenty of pitchers there!

Your question is a valid one.

Yes, there were several pitchers left that already made appearances. Most, however, had already showered and departed the stadium once their brief stint was done. You see, there is no "team" in All-Stars, just all stars. Ergo, the players, once they have strutted and fretted their time upon the field, wash the two to three innings of grime from their bodies and are off to enjoy their one day of vacation.

This is not to say that an all star baseball player doesn't deserve a little time off. When he is healthy he plays on Good Friday, Easter Sunday, Memorial Day, Fourth of July and Labor Day. And in the case of Sandy Koufax, can refuse to play on High Holy days such as Yom Kippur. Of course, time off is something overrated with the DH, airplane travel and the bothersome hangnails that keep many all stars out of the lineup for a day or two.

But I digress from your original question.

A pitcher, once he has "cooled" cannot easily get ready to go again until a certain amount of time has passed. For every major league fastball there are about 2,000-3,000 blood vessels that rupture in the arm. For every curveball the number jumps to 5,000-7,000 blood vessel ruptures. While true that most of these ruptures heal between pitches, not all do. Any period of inactivity is usually with the arm wrapped to prevent any "cooling" of the arm. That is why pitchers, no matter the weather, are usually seen wearing a jacket when not pitching.

So, for a pitcher that has already made an appearance to be asked to step up and do a little more is hazardous to the arm and puts the pitching career at extreme risk.

The pathetic outcome of Tuesday night was not the fault of any pitcher not willing to do his part, but MLB protecting a team's investment and the pitcher's future.

The stupidity exhibited by the powers that be of baseball was a direct result of fans wanting to see all of the stars which did not happen in past years. Nonetheless it would behoove baseball to perhaps learn the proverb regarding piss-poor planning and see that it does not happen again.

Disgruntled fans that don't get to see all the stars are much more preferable to fans that don't get to see either team win in a sport that thrives on extra inning suspense.

43 posted on 07/11/2002 9:39:18 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: N. Theknow
Bud Selig

Amazing how the most inept owner becomes the Commissioner of Baseball.

I am amazed at how the "most inept owner" is able to get and keep a baseball team in Milwuakee. I am amazed that all of the fans are blaming Selig for trying change baseball, so that baseball would be more competitive for all teams. Name me one commissioner who has stood up to the players union, like Selig has.

44 posted on 07/11/2002 9:49:44 AM PDT by cpprfld
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Same here for the Sox. Fifty-five bucks a piece for average seats, parking anywhere close to the park will set you back $30, the brews are $4.50 .

You forgot to mention that the $4.50 for a beer is for Coors Lite ONLY, and NO beer vendors. (You have to leave your seat, show your ID even if you're an old geezer and then can only buy two Near-Beers at a time.) And in a state where a bunch of drunken bums like the Kennedy's live.

Go Figure!

45 posted on 07/11/2002 10:06:49 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: cpprfld
I am amazed at how the "most inept owner" is able to get and keep a baseball team in Milwuakee.

Sorry. I must have missed when the Brewers became a club to be emulated in professional sports. Exactly when was that?

46 posted on 07/11/2002 10:14:08 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: Crusher138
...the basic rules of capitalism

Would you agree that so long as the Red Sox keep selling out the stadium, they must be underpricing their product? They have, by far, the most expensive ticket prices in the majors, and yet, every game is a sellout. Every year prices go up another 20% and it has no effect on demand. They could double prices again and, after some initial moaning and groaning, fans would queue up to buy the tickets.

There's little to admire in either the owners of major league teams or the players, but so long as fans fight to be first to spend the $100 to see a game, what's the point in blaming the suppliers? If consumers fight for the opportunity to buy your product:
1. you must have a pretty desirable product,
2. you're probably underpricing it.

Admittedly, Boston is a special situation. Owners in Kansas City, Tampa, and Detroit can only dream about having such a rabid fan base for whom money is no object. Unfortunately, they have to play in the league and, therefore, pay the same salaries.

47 posted on 07/11/2002 10:23:11 AM PDT by Moosilauke
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To: CharacterCounts
Their attendance is approaching zero. The amazing thing is that they are owned by the same person who owns the fantasticly successful Detroit Red Wings.

Trading away the only decent player on the team didn't help...

As far as Ilitch goes, that's exactly the problem. Everything has gone into the Wings. Every thin dime the Tigers made went down the street into the Joe.

48 posted on 07/11/2002 10:58:45 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Hell, between parking, tickets, and food a family night for four decent seats at the Ballpark in Arlington will run you about $200.

Not if you went during the Big 12 tournament. True, that's once every two years, but enough for me to go to the Ballpark. I haven't paid for a Rangers ticket in over a decade, though I've been to several in the last few years. Now, the only time I would go is to entertain a client, and I strongly suggest prior to going that we do something else.

49 posted on 07/11/2002 11:31:44 AM PDT by 1L
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To: Mike Fieschko
(Yawn). Wake me up when college football starts.
50 posted on 07/11/2002 11:33:19 AM PDT by 1L
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To: Crusher138
Pitchers would get paid per strike or strike out, with a bonus for a win or a save. Fielders could get money for catching pop flies or diving saves. Shortstops could get bonuses for double plays. Home runs, RBI's, singles, doubles, triples, would all have a dollar figure attached to them. Players would be paid what they are worth, not what they could get their agent to negotiate.

This is too big a problem already. Players with incentive clauses in their contracts often view those incentives higher than winning. The only incentive clause should be wins -- for everyone. That's the only thing that matters. Do you want outfielders running into each other to get another $250? How about a guy stretching a double into a triple (and getting thrown out) since he gets an extra buck fifty for the triple?

51 posted on 07/11/2002 11:36:54 AM PDT by 1L
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To: Mike Fieschko
Selig did not identify the teams he was referring to, and there was no way to corroborate his claims.

Then there is no reason for him not to lie, is there?

52 posted on 07/11/2002 11:42:15 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Thank God it is only 3 weeks to pre-season NFL football!

Yeah baby!


53 posted on 07/11/2002 11:46:29 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Moosehead
Of course, if the Royals ever start winning the prices will go up. But supply and demand is what drives the ticket prices; the Royals suck, the fans are pissed at the front office ineptitude and have stayed away in droves.

It's a vicious cycle. Revenue sharing a lá the NFL is what could save MLB

54 posted on 07/11/2002 11:49:52 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Booo!

LOL- j/k, glad an AFC East team won it, but even if I do dislike the Pats, I absolutely HATE the Jets.

55 posted on 07/11/2002 1:53:53 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: Mike Fieschko
Good, pay the players millions for a job they would do for a lot less. I don't care anymore. Three wings from the heels and they smile as they go sit down. What a job. The owners are just as greedy. Bankruptcy for all.
56 posted on 07/11/2002 1:58:39 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Methos8
SF Giants are a slight possibility due to the fact that I believe that they have quite a bit of debt related to their new stadium (not tax-payer supported, I believe.. or at least not heavily supported), but they have probably been drawing a fair amount of fans given the success of the team and Barry Bonds.

The Giants are doing all right. They come close to selling out every game. Pac Bell Park was built entirely with private financing, so they do have a fair amount of debt to pay down. Getting Pac Bell built was the only thing San Francisco has done right in the last ten years - it's a magnificent ballpark.

57 posted on 07/11/2002 1:59:36 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I absolutely HATE the Jets.

On this point we can agree.

58 posted on 07/11/2002 3:11:30 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: cpprfld
Pope Bud I HASN'T successfully stood up to the MLBPA. When he tried, the 1994 World Series wasn't played, the last small-market team that had a chance to win a pennant didn't even get the NL East title despite having a huge lead over the Atlanta Braves, and player salaries REALLY took off the moment the owners caved.

Let's take a look at the rest of the changes that Bud has instituted:

Need I go on with reasons why Pope Bud I should never have gotten involved in trying to run baseball?
59 posted on 07/11/2002 3:14:45 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: Mike Fieschko
Let them all fold.
60 posted on 07/11/2002 3:17:38 PM PDT by steveegg
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