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Astonishing Skull Found in Africa
BBC ^ | 10 July, 2002 | Ivan Noble

Posted on 07/10/2002 11:51:16 AM PDT by Mr.Clark

It's the most important find in living memory.

It was found in the desert in Chad by an international team and is thought to be approximately seven million years old.

"I knew I would one day find it... I've been looking for 25 years," said Michel Brunet of the University of Poitiers, France.

Scientists say it is the most important discovery in the search for the origins of humankind since the first Australopithecus "ape-man" remains were found in Africa in the 1920s.

The newly discovered skull finally puts to rest any idea that there might be a single "missing link" between humans and chimpanzees, they say.

Messy evolution

Analysis of the ancient find is not yet complete, but already it is clear that it has an apparently puzzling combination of modern and ancient features.

Henry Gee, senior editor at the scientific journal Nature, said that the fossil makes it clear how messy the process of evolution has been.

"It shows us there wasn't a nice steady progression from ancient hominids to what we are today," he told BBC News Online.

"It's the most important find in living memory, the most important since the australopithecines in the 1920s.

"It's amazing to find such a wonderful skull that's so old," he said.

What is the skull's significance?

The skull is so old that it comes from a time when the creatures which were to become modern humans had not long diverged from the line that would become chimpanzees.

There were very few of these creatures around relative to the number of people in the world today, and only a tiny percentage of them were ever fossilised.

So despite all the false starts, failed experiments and ultimate winners produced by evolution, the evidence for what went on between 10 and five million years ago is very scarce.

Grandparent, great uncle, great aunt?

There will be plenty of debate about where the Chad skull fits into the incomplete and sketchy picture researchers have drawn for the origins of the human species.

"A find like this does make us question the trees people have built up of human evolution," Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum told the BBC.

Sahelanthropus tchadensis, as the find has been named, may turn out to be a direct human ancestor or it may prove to be a member of a side branch of our family tree.

The team which found the skull believes it is that of a male, but even that is not 100% clear.

"They've called it a male individual, based on the strong brow ridge, but it's equally possible it's a female," said Professor Stringer.

Future finds may make the whole picture of human evolution clearer.

"We've got to be ready for shocks and surprises to come," he said.

The Sahelanthropus has been nicknamed Toumai, a name often given to children born in the dry season in Chad.

Full details of the discovery appear in the journal Nature.


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To: DaveyB
You mean the Grand canyon that is composed of rock very succeptable to erosion and that just happens to have a river flowing through it? I'll look the other one up tomorrow...

EBUCK

241 posted on 07/10/2002 5:17:37 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: DaveyB
When man went to the moon who was the head of NASA?

I don't recall. Christopher Craft was a principal flight Controller, I remember that. And the FIRST astronaut was a chimpanzee. Chuck Yeager & many of the test pilots at Edwards AFB at the time didn't think much of the Space Program...'Spam in a can' they called it...'a suicide mission', with no need for the skills of a true Golden-Armed pilot.

With so many tens of thousands contributing to the Moon Shot, it's hard to establish a clear link with 'Creationists' as the sole actors. John Glenn was a Christian, though, and he got the nod for the first full 'orbit' of the Earth flight...DESPITE the fact that his sweet wife, Annie, who had a speech impediment and did NOT want to be on camera, REFUSED to allow POTUS Lyndon Johnson in her home for a 'courtesy visit' (photo op) on the day of the launch! MUCH to the chagrin of the NASA Public Affairs Office, which threatened to YANK Glenn from the flight if he didn't talk some SENSE into his wife!!

242 posted on 07/10/2002 5:20:49 PM PDT by O Neill
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To: EBUCK
You mean the Grand canyon that is composed of rock very succeptable to erosion and that just happens to have a river flowing through it?

Yes, and how did that river run uphill to cut out the Canyon?

243 posted on 07/10/2002 5:21:06 PM PDT by DaveyB
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To: PatrickHenry
Or that the people who found it are fools, while those refusing to even consider its existence are really the bright guys. It's fascinating to see this stuff in action.

I keep remembering Immanuel Velikovsky.

Hmmm...

244 posted on 07/10/2002 5:25:25 PM PDT by carenot
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To: general_re
"I knew I would one day find it... I've been looking for 25 years," said Michel Brunet of the University of Poitiers, France.

" I suggest "Bob". Let's call him Bob."

Bob, my flaming rear! This should be called "le froge".

Only one thing, did it have a white flag nearby?

245 posted on 07/10/2002 5:27:03 PM PDT by xJones
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To: carenot
I keep remembering Immanuel Velikovsky.

I'm sure you do.

246 posted on 07/10/2002 5:33:12 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: DaveyB
But you have already assumed million of years of age.

Not exactly. My point was that some kind of intrinsic variability on the order of hundreds of thousands of years aren't significant on much longer time scales. If the intrinsic variability is of the same order as the time scale, then you have a problem.

247 posted on 07/10/2002 5:33:47 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: DaveyB
Yes, and how did that river run uphill to cut out the Canyon?

Ummm... You do know that the particular region of the US in question shifts quite a bit on a regular basis don't you? The angle and elevation of the land was nothing like what it is now when the river first started cutting a channel. And in fact there is some evidence there that these things changed as the channel was being cut. (Obviously, once the channel is started, the water generally won't leave it, even if it is slightly uphill in places.) That whole swath of the US is very active geologically.

Why do you waste our time with assertions that you could have falsified yourself with rudimentary research?

248 posted on 07/10/2002 5:34:26 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: Condorman
Might you reasonably hypothesize that there is a blue puzzle piece with a straight edge, maybe behind a baseboard somewhere in your house? And say you're in your attic one day, and lift a box of old magazines and find a blue puzzle piece with the straight edge underneath, might you reasonably conclude that it fits the puzzle near the hole in the sky, probably somewhere along the edge?

Wow!

That is deep, man.

249 posted on 07/10/2002 5:34:39 PM PDT by carenot
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To: xJones
Bob, my flaming rear! This should be called "le froge".

"La grenouille" ;)

250 posted on 07/10/2002 5:35:30 PM PDT by general_re
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To: AndrewC
No. But that would stop someone from finding some DNA and determining that the fossil was closely related to a ham sandwich.

I am not sure, but I think somewhere I read that people taste like chicken.

251 posted on 07/10/2002 5:42:09 PM PDT by carenot
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To: DaveyB
If I could understand it I might be able to comment on it (just what does it mean that 'a derived "age" has no distinct geological meaning?').

From other reading I've done it seems that there is a great deal of evidence that isochron done carefully gives reliable age estimates. There is no obvious reason, for example, that so many independent age estimates should agree or that they would be consistent with other physical processes.

252 posted on 07/10/2002 5:42:26 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: ContentiousObjector
70's, 80's and 90's pornstar and FReeper Ron Jeremy. Nicknamed "The Hedgehog".
253 posted on 07/10/2002 5:50:05 PM PDT by socal_parrot
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To: PatrickHenry
That's also true of the Iliad. So what does that say about Zeus and his thunderbolts?

Well. I just know that when it is raining and the Sun is shining, it means Zeus is beating his wife.

And it will rain tomorrow.

254 posted on 07/10/2002 5:55:09 PM PDT by carenot
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To: general_re
"I knew I would one day find it... I've been looking for 25 years," said Michel Brunet of the University of Poitiers, France.

Scientists say it is the most important discovery in the search for the origins of humankind since the first Australopithecus "ape-man" remains were found in Africa in the 1920s.

Anthropologists find what they want to find, even if they have to make it up.: Piltdowm man.

255 posted on 07/10/2002 5:58:01 PM PDT by xJones
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To: MissAmericanPie
Is this is every bit as important as the pigs tooth?

Heck no.

I am having a good time on this.

Do you have a link to the pig's tooth?

TIA

256 posted on 07/10/2002 6:01:23 PM PDT by carenot
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To: EBUCK
Hey! I got it.

I was having such a good time, I didn't bother with someone else doing the same!

257 posted on 07/10/2002 6:07:53 PM PDT by carenot
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To: PatrickHenry
I thought you meant Barney Frank.

How dast you?

Just because Barney is a.... never mind.

LOL

258 posted on 07/10/2002 6:16:31 PM PDT by carenot
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To: RobRoy
At the end of the day, they're all just people, many of whom have an agenda.

I think I used to have an agenda.

But I forgot what it was.

259 posted on 07/10/2002 6:21:45 PM PDT by carenot
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To: DaveyB
Yes, why reason? We must first presuppose that logic and reason are true. But we cannot see reason; we must believe it to be true. Where did it come from? How about the laws of the universe, how did they get there?

I asked you not to do that!

260 posted on 07/10/2002 6:31:52 PM PDT by carenot
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