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Astonishing Skull Found in Africa
BBC ^ | 10 July, 2002 | Ivan Noble

Posted on 07/10/2002 11:51:16 AM PDT by Mr.Clark

It's the most important find in living memory.

It was found in the desert in Chad by an international team and is thought to be approximately seven million years old.

"I knew I would one day find it... I've been looking for 25 years," said Michel Brunet of the University of Poitiers, France.

Scientists say it is the most important discovery in the search for the origins of humankind since the first Australopithecus "ape-man" remains were found in Africa in the 1920s.

The newly discovered skull finally puts to rest any idea that there might be a single "missing link" between humans and chimpanzees, they say.

Messy evolution

Analysis of the ancient find is not yet complete, but already it is clear that it has an apparently puzzling combination of modern and ancient features.

Henry Gee, senior editor at the scientific journal Nature, said that the fossil makes it clear how messy the process of evolution has been.

"It shows us there wasn't a nice steady progression from ancient hominids to what we are today," he told BBC News Online.

"It's the most important find in living memory, the most important since the australopithecines in the 1920s.

"It's amazing to find such a wonderful skull that's so old," he said.

What is the skull's significance?

The skull is so old that it comes from a time when the creatures which were to become modern humans had not long diverged from the line that would become chimpanzees.

There were very few of these creatures around relative to the number of people in the world today, and only a tiny percentage of them were ever fossilised.

So despite all the false starts, failed experiments and ultimate winners produced by evolution, the evidence for what went on between 10 and five million years ago is very scarce.

Grandparent, great uncle, great aunt?

There will be plenty of debate about where the Chad skull fits into the incomplete and sketchy picture researchers have drawn for the origins of the human species.

"A find like this does make us question the trees people have built up of human evolution," Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum told the BBC.

Sahelanthropus tchadensis, as the find has been named, may turn out to be a direct human ancestor or it may prove to be a member of a side branch of our family tree.

The team which found the skull believes it is that of a male, but even that is not 100% clear.

"They've called it a male individual, based on the strong brow ridge, but it's equally possible it's a female," said Professor Stringer.

Future finds may make the whole picture of human evolution clearer.

"We've got to be ready for shocks and surprises to come," he said.

The Sahelanthropus has been nicknamed Toumai, a name often given to children born in the dry season in Chad.

Full details of the discovery appear in the journal Nature.


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181 posted on 07/10/2002 4:13:35 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: EBUCK
Not to get too serious here, but the AMA has great credentials. They still lost their lawsuit (and rightly so) with the Chiropractors.
182 posted on 07/10/2002 4:16:02 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: DaveyB
Creationists didn't put men on the moon,

there is no coralation between christianity and choosing to be a complete retard
183 posted on 07/10/2002 4:16:18 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: DaveyB
You mean like the aforementioned nebraska man...err pigs tooth. Or maybe circular reasoning used for dating or perhaps the ontogeny recapitalization hoax.

The real difference is that science polices itself and exposes errors/hoaxes/lies through peer review. ICR has a diferent system...if it can create doubt, counter evolutionist theory, or garner support is will be used without regard to fact, evidence, or peer review. ICR is not a scientific institution as it claims. Its staff is chock full of frauds and liars whose sole purpose are to spread unfounded propoganda.

EBUCK

184 posted on 07/10/2002 4:17:10 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: AndrewC
The nice thing about TO is that they always provide complete references. I cannot say that ICR has never produced a credible theory (I have yet to see one) but I can say that anything coming from that source immediately sets off an alarm in my view. My advise, if I may, is to corroberate the data, if possible, then post the data from your corroberation source. As far as I, and most evo's on these threads, are concerned ICR is bunk and cannot be trusted to provide objective information.

EBUCK

185 posted on 07/10/2002 4:22:33 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
The real difference is that science polices itself and exposes errors/hoaxes/lies through peer review. ICR has a diferent system...if it can create doubt, counter evolutionist theory, or garner support is will be used without regard to fact, evidence, or peer review. ICR is not a scientific institution as it claims. Its staff is chock full of frauds and liars whose sole purpose are to spread unfounded propoganda.

Yes! It's the devil's work!!

186 posted on 07/10/2002 4:24:31 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: EBUCK
RE: your post 184. I agree with your analysis of much of the CR folk. Where we part ways is that I think the other side is rife with the same sort of folk - with better credentials.

At the end of the day, they're all just people, many of whom have an agenda.
187 posted on 07/10/2002 4:24:47 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: DaveyB
...the ontogeny recapitalization hoax..

I assume you're referring to Haeckel's biogenetic law. It's been dead for a long time. see history of biogenetic law

It wasn't a hoax. It was a flawed theory. There's a big difference. Piltdown man was a hoax.

188 posted on 07/10/2002 4:25:31 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: RobRoy
True, but if the AMA had the credentials of the ICR would you even consider information from them to be valid or even aguable?

I obviously cannot say that scientists are saints (good choice of wording if I do say so myself) but compared to the ICR staff they are certainly on the sainthood "alternate" squad and just waiting for an injury.

EBUCK

189 posted on 07/10/2002 4:26:02 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
Its staff is chock full of frauds and liars whose sole purpose are to spread unfounded propoganda.

Well it's a good thing we have you, the truth detector, why with that kind of logic the debate is over -- who dare argue with an ex cathedra statement of omniscience like that.

190 posted on 07/10/2002 4:26:14 PM PDT by DaveyB
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To: ContentiousObjector
Creationists didn't put men on the moon...

Not that it matters, but...When man went to the moon who was the head of NASA? And what was his faith? Me thinks you speak too soon.

191 posted on 07/10/2002 4:29:21 PM PDT by DaveyB
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To: RobRoy
At the end of the day, they're all just people, many of whom have an agenda.

No doubt. And well put to boot. The thing that tips the scales is evidence. Either you got or you don't. Science has it. And despite the dogma in many scientific circles the peer review process always seems to get to the bottom of things, AKA, the truth.

EBUCK

192 posted on 07/10/2002 4:29:50 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: DaveyB
When will we look and see that most of the inventions and scientific advances in history came from Bible believing Christians

Consider this:

c. 2725 B.C. - Imhotep in Egypt considered the first medical doctor
c. 2540 B.C. - Pyramids of Egypt constructed
c. 2000 B.C. - Chinese discovered magnetic attraction
c. 700 B.C. - Greeks discovered electric attraction produced by rubbing amber
c. 600 B.C. - Anaximander discovered the ecliptic (the angle between the plane of the earth's rotation and the plane of the solar system)
c. 600 B.C. - Thales proposed that nature should be understood by replacing myth with logic; that all matter is made of water
c. 585 B.C. - Thales correctly predicted solar eclipse
c. 530 B.C. - Pythagoras developed mathematical theory
c. 500 B.C. - Anaximenes introduced the ideas of condensation and rarefaction
c. 450 B.C. - Anaxagoras proposed the first clearly materialist philosophy - the universe is made entirely of matter in motion
c. 370 B.C. - Leucippus and Democritus proposed that matter is made of small, indestructible particles
c. 300 B.C. - Euclid wrote "Elements", a treatise on geometry
c. 300 B.C. - Aristarchus proposed that the earth revolves around the sun; calculated diameter of the earth
c. 300 B.C. - The number of volumes in the Library of Alexandria reached 500,000
c. 220 B.C. - Archimedes made discoveries in mathematics and mechanics
c. 150 A.D. - Ptolemy studied mathematics, science, geography; proposed that the earth is the center of the solar system
190 - Chinese mathematicians calculated pi to five decimal places
271 - Chinese mathematicians invented the magnetic compass
335 - Aristotle established the Lyceum; studied philosophy, logic, science
415 - A mob of rioters burned down the Library of Alexandria, and much of the recorded knowledge of the western world was lost
450-1000 - the "Dark Ages" in Europe

193 posted on 07/10/2002 4:29:51 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Mr.Clark
"They've called it a male individual, based on the strong brow ridge, but it's equally possible it's a female,"

They need to look for eyebrow pencil above brow ridge.

That is most difinitive.

194 posted on 07/10/2002 4:30:59 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Virginia-American
Haeckel's biogenetic law. It's been dead for a long time.

And yet it remained in college textbooks as late as the mid 90's. And so it was a fraud and a hoax perpetrated on students for decades because it supported the orthodoxy of evolution.

195 posted on 07/10/2002 4:32:21 PM PDT by DaveyB
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To: EBUCK
ICR is bunk and cannot be trusted

That's partly because they have been caught 'quotemining' numerous times. As has Behe (at least once), as I pointed out here.

I can't take people who engage in that sort of behavior seriously, except as potential criminals and con artists to keep an eye on.

196 posted on 07/10/2002 4:34:26 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: DaveyB
You don't have to take my word for it. As a matter of fact I'd prefer that you didn't. Look it up, research it. Take nearly any theory put forth by the ICR and you will find (usually) numerous scientific refutations. Then check the dates of the refutations. Then ask the ICR staff why they have not retracted or even attempted to defend their theories.

EBUCK

197 posted on 07/10/2002 4:34:32 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: PatrickHenry
Doesn't amber actualy mean electricity or lighting in greek?

EBUCK

198 posted on 07/10/2002 4:35:50 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
Doesn't amber actualy mean electricity or lighting in greek?

I donno. But amber can be used to generate static electricity, so there's an obvious connection.

199 posted on 07/10/2002 4:38:53 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: DaveyB
Chet Lee was NOT a creationist, to my knowledge he was a lazy catholic
200 posted on 07/10/2002 4:39:02 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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