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To: Torie
I understand that an out of control Congress could do whatever it wanted to, but you just cannot be impeached for something that happened years before you were elected.
1,181 posted on 07/11/2002 10:01:44 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Howlin, Article II, section 4, does not define Impeachment in the same way you are. High crimes and Misdemeanors can happen at any point in the politician's life, Congress has to be the one to decide if the articles of Impeachment have any substantial merit to them. If impeached, the Senate conducts the trial and there is no appeal allowed, they are the final word in the matter.
1,184 posted on 07/11/2002 10:03:49 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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Yes he can and should. Suppose a president was convicted for a murder he committed prior to being president while president? Now what? Or assuming a president can't be prosecuted while president (that may be the case; the only remedy is impeachment and conviction), suppose it all comes out on tape and he confesses?
1,186 posted on 07/11/2002 10:05:26 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Howlin
The impeachment thing is a method of raising the bar by the eWW so that he gets more publicity. I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to it just yet. But it really can be just about anything the congress decides it wants to do.... and there's no recourse

The Constitution says a President can be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors," but it doesn't define the term. Who decides what that means? Columbus, Ohio - 5/3/00

The Congress decides the definition: by majority vote in the House for impeachment, and by 2/3 vote in the Senate for conviction. The Framers of the Constitution deliberately put impeachment into the hands of the legislative branch rather than the judicial branch, thus transforming it from strictly a matter of legal definition to a matter of political judgment. Then Representative Gerald Ford put it into practical perspective in 1970, when he said an impeachable offense is "whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

"High crimes and misdemeanors" entered the text of the Constitution due to George Mason and James Madison. Mason had argued that the reasons given for impeachment -- treason and bribery -- were not enough. He worried that other "great and dangerous offenses" might not be covered, and suggested adding the word "maladministration." Madison argued that term was too vague, so Mason then proposed "high crimes and misdemeanors," a phrase well-known in English common law. In 18th century language, a "misdemeanor" meant "mis-demeanor,"or bad behavior (neglect of duty and corruption were given as examples), while "high crimes" was roughly equivalent to "great offenses."

Lawyers and historians are still arguing about the exact meaning of "high crimes and misdemeanors," dividing into three schools of thought about the appropriate definition: (1) serious criminality evidenced by breaking existing law; (2) an abuse of office, and (3) the Alexander Hamilton standard (Federalist 65) of "violation of public trust."

In our most recent experience with presidential impeachment -- Watergate in 1974 -- the House Judiciary Committee strongly argued that the case for impeachment need not be limited to actual violations of criminal law. In its report, Constitutional Grounds for Presidential Impeachment, the Committee argued the definition should go beyond actual breach of law, citing Blackstone's phrase, "an injury to the state or system of government," Justice Joseph Story's phrase, "offenses of a political character," and Edmund Burke's statement at an impeachment trial that the official on trial should be judged "not upon the niceties of a narrow jurisprudence, but upon the enlarged and solid principles of morality." The Committee further stated that historically, Congress had issued Articles of Impeachment in three broad categories: (1) exceeding the constitutional bounds of the powers of the office; (2) behaving in a manner grossly incompatible with the proper function and purpose of the office; and (3) employing the power of the office for an improper purpose or for personal gain.


1,200 posted on 07/11/2002 10:13:14 PM PDT by deport
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To: Howlin
I understand that an out of control Congress could do whatever it wanted to, but you just cannot be impeached for something that happened years before you were elected

I think that Congress can do this

And an out of control congress might try a stunt like this

But I will say .. if the Rats tried a stunt like this .. especially in a time of War

This country will RIP the Rats apart ..

1,219 posted on 07/11/2002 10:22:32 PM PDT by Mo1
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