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Want to understand Islam? Read on
TownHall.com ^ | 7/10/02 | Marvin Olasky

Posted on 07/09/2002 9:18:28 PM PDT by kattracks

This summer, as many Americans head to oceans white with foam, some atypical reading is finding its way into beach bags alongside torrid romance novels and cool detective stories. Books about Islam are hot, and new ones are pouring off the presses.

The most lucid of the recent arrivals is Bernard Lewis' "What Went Wrong? Western Impact and Middle Eastern Response" (Oxford University Press, 2002). Princeton professor emeritus Lewis explains why Muslims of the Middle East, who once possessed the highest civilization and the top armies in the world, are on a five-century losing streak. He shows how Islam messed up by setting up obstacles to freedom, science and economic development. Essentially, Muslim collectivists did not trust individuals to think for themselves or go out on their own. Westerners were willing to live in Islamic countries and learn from them, but Imams never said, "Go west, young Muslim."

Another short book, Ravi Zacharias' "Light in the Shadow of Jihad" (Multnomah, 2002), shows how faulty theology leads to political and social dictatorship, and notes what happens to Muslim scholars who ask hard questions. Egyptian journalist Farag Foda: assassinated. Ali Dashti of Iran: disappeared during the revolution there. Professor Nasr Abu Zaid of Egypt: had to flee the country. Given that record of intolerance, it's childish to say that Muslims and Westerners can all get along if we just talk with each other.

For a tougher but deeply provocative read, try "Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide" (Fairleigh Dickinson Univ. Press, 2002), by Bat Ye'or, an Egypt-born Jewish-French historian. She shows why the nature of Islam dictates against any pluralistic peace with Christians and Jews, and notes that "human rights" is a meaningless term within Islam: Muslims have rights but others (historically) are "dhimmi," members of conquered minorities allowed to live in Islamic society if they pay extra taxes, and put up with enormous scorn and abuse.

For a radical challenge to conventional views of Muhammad and Islamic scriptures, read Ibn Warraq's "What the Koran Really Says" (Prometheus, 2002). It's the fourth in a series of books by a Muslim-raised scholar who risks his life to argue that the Quran was not formulated until two centuries after Muhammad's death. This new book is the most technical of the four; "The Quest for the Historical Muhammad" (2000) is a better starting point for most readers. The general thrust is that many of Islam's elements were confused responses to cultural pressures, and that the real Muhammad was probably nothing like the myth.

Another new book, Chawkat Moucarry's "The Prophet & the Messiah: An Arab Christian's Perspective on Islam & Christianity" (InterVarsity Press, 2002), also goes right at the reliability of the Quran. Given that its earliest known fragments date from the second century of the Islamic era, textual critics would long ago have taken it apart if the Muslim world had any intellectual freedom. Moucarry also compares key Christian and Muslim doctrines and provides a handy appendix listing Muslim theologians and mystics.

In one pre-Sept. 11 book, "Muslims and Christians at the Table" (P&R Publishing, 1999), authors Bruce McDowell and Anees Zaka provide solid and readable sections on Muslim history and theology, and also show how to apply that knowledge as evangelistic opportunities arise. Practical reminders include never sit cross-legged with Muslims (showing the sole of your foot is considered offensive and an indication of disrespect, especially to elders) and never shake hands with a Muslim after petting a dog (dogs are considered unclean, but since Muhammad had cats, felines are OK).

The overall message of these six books is sobering. Since last fall many Americans have wanted to believe that Islam is naturally a peaceful religion, and if we forcibly remove a few bad apples we won't be pecked to death. We should pray that this is true, but we should take into account the scholarship that shows how and why Islam requires unending war -- with tactically useful truces -- between dar al-Islam (END ITAL) (Muslim territory) and dar al-harb (everything else).

Marvin Olasky is Editor of WORLD magazine, a TownHall.com member group.

Read his biography

©2002 Creators Syndicate, Inc.



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To: seeker41
Yes we have. They obviously haven't. Even if we ignore the middle ages, you can still find many outlandish Chritians that persecute people on a daily basis like homosexuals. Or Nevada type militia Christians that want to destroy the US as well b/c of its falling away from God. But, go ahead and attack my character and intelligence instead of my argument. It is easier to do that when you have no evidence to support your opinion.
21 posted on 07/09/2002 11:35:12 PM PDT by THROW?
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To: THROW?
In Islam the message is clear from the message bearer. Spread Islam by the sword. Harbor many wives. Make Infidels submit, and so on.

Christ never carried a sword. He used the spoken word with promises of salvation to persuade followers.

This is more than a casual difference. It's like night and day.

With Christ, you were to turn the other cheek when struck. With Mohammad, you lost your limbs for petty crimes.

If you want to look for look for an explanation of violence in European history, you will find it in Feudalism and Monarchy. Force is the unit of measure with warlords and the aristocracy. Islam fits well with Feudalism, a gangster style social order. Islamic clerics call for a strict code of conduct. So did the Mafia.

One should remember, the Crusades were in response to the attack from Islam. The modern colonization of Arab territories was in part a response to constant attacks from Arab pirates. America even had to send Old Ironsides and the Marines to set Qaddafi's ancestors straight.

In the long haul Europe has suffered more invasions from the East than it has initiated toward the East. With the fall of Rome many Eastern tribes invaded and raped Europe. Afterward. came the Moslems who pressed Europe for centuries. I believe the Mongols reached the gate of Europe all the way from the east coast of Asia. Now, Europe is again under attack by roving bands of immigrants claiming justice from those they invade. They are now driving up crime rates and taking over criminal operations. Lovely, isn’t it.

I’m so sick of hearing about moral equivalence and carrying Western guilt for the mess that other crappy cultures have made. We should drop many bouquets of Daisy Cutters on them starting with Mecca.

22 posted on 07/09/2002 11:51:36 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: everyone
I'm aware that Islam calls for the conversion of the world using the sword but few Muslims actually put that teaching into action. As a result I'm not going to bash all Muslims for the actions of those few. This way I retain the higher moral ground over Muslims who lump all Christians and all Westerners together in their hatred without for a moment condoning any of their acts of terrorism or calls to terrorism.

Muslims are lashing out partially because they realize their culture and standard of living is inferior to the West's. They're full of envy. But their leaders falsely preach that their religion is not the cause but rather the cure for their misery.

23 posted on 07/10/2002 1:48:10 AM PDT by Ipberg
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To: kattracks
Please see also:

Present Enemies, Future Wars

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

24 posted on 07/10/2002 5:55:38 AM PDT by fporretto
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To: kattracks
I've heard this said before, and it's worth repeating: America may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with America.
25 posted on 07/10/2002 5:58:17 AM PDT by Guillermo
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To: fporretto
From your link "Present Enemies, Future Wars" - "One cannot be a "tolerant" Muslim. The concept is internally contradictory. The infidel is the enemy, to be converted by any means fair or foul. They who resist conversion are to be allowed to live only until Islam has acquired sufficient force to pose them the choice of conversion or execution."

I believe this covers the aim of Islam. Convert or die.

26 posted on 07/10/2002 6:17:23 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: kattracks
"Among the Believers" by V.S. Naipaul.
27 posted on 07/10/2002 6:39:39 AM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: seeker41
Sick Sick Sick of hearing about this vile and utterly useless false religion. If it were extinguished off the face of the earth I would be happy and jumping with joy.

Well...I feel the same way about you and any other Hater like you.

28 posted on 07/10/2002 9:43:35 AM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: Johnny Shear
Well...I feel the same way about you and any other Hater like you.

So you feel the same way about yourself? ;^)

29 posted on 07/10/2002 10:32:54 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: seeker41
Zech is a bit far out for most people, but, as I say, he makes more sense than Mohammed.
30 posted on 07/10/2002 12:50:50 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
I have a good friend that is Islamic and Christian, and I have read the Torah, Koran, etc. I did it to learn more about myself. The more you know about what you disagree with, the better off you can defend your own position. Anyway, the crusades were not done in response to an attack, they were done to convert which is the same reason muslims are doing it. It was wrong for us, and wrong for them. As everyone well knows, you can take any sentence, book, saying and twist it to say something that it was not meant to be. Need I say politics. Religion is just another form of politics with another group of people. There are good people and there are bad people. The bad people give the good people bad names because of their attitudes and way of thinking. We see the muslims dancing in the streets, but not the ones that go to the peace conferences and think just as badly about these wackos as we do. Just like the eastern world sees our gang violence and not our, well . . . uh. . . what exactly do we do that is nice over here. Seriously though, other countries don't see our homless shelters, donations, volunteers and our kindness. Lets face it Joe gave Betty a flower and some food and she was happy. That kinda stuff does not make the news here or in any other part of the world.
31 posted on 07/10/2002 2:56:37 PM PDT by THROW?
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To: THROW?
But, go ahead and attack my character and intelligence instead of my argument. It is easier to do that when you have no evidence to support your opinion.

Gee, THROW?

I didn't see where seeker41 attacked your character nor your intelligence. He simply questioned whether your comment was pertinent to the discussion.

33 posted on 07/10/2002 3:20:42 PM PDT by gitmo
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To: kattracks
I refuse to have my literary excursions dictated to me by an Osama-loving-sycophant or Arafat apologist.

I refuse to have my spiritual pursuits dictated to me by an Osama-loving-sycophant or Arafat apologist.

I refuse to have my world view dictated to me by an Osama-loving-sycophant or Arafat apologist.

34 posted on 07/10/2002 3:23:39 PM PDT by ChadGore
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To: gitmo
Some folks have too thin a skin to be FReepers. Thanks for seeing the true meaning in my post.;)
35 posted on 07/10/2002 3:32:24 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: Just another Joe
hehehe;)
36 posted on 07/10/2002 3:33:05 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: seeker41
hmmm...Do you mean "Nefilim" or "those who came down."

Such as the sons of God, and the daughters of men, and the offspring they had?

37 posted on 07/10/2002 3:34:41 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: THROW?
I have a good friend that is Islamic and Christian

Impossible. Islam is a false religion, spawned by Satan himself.

38 posted on 07/10/2002 3:42:51 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: LindaSOG
When you speak badly about a deceased, the deceased will go to hell

I like this one! Let's see now...

Darkness take thee, mohammed, hell spawned murderer!

So, is ol' 'hammed buring now? (Grin)

40 posted on 07/10/2002 4:02:46 PM PDT by neutrino
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