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1 posted on 07/09/2002 2:16:03 PM PDT by GeneD
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To: GeneD
Islam sucks.
2 posted on 07/09/2002 2:17:25 PM PDT by cardinal4
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To: GeneD
And here we thought Islam was the religion of peace. Now they endorse the kidnapping of children. Just like you'd see from a CAIR press release. Its the other Islamist front group Robert Mueller hadn't addressed yet.
3 posted on 07/09/2002 2:18:06 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: GeneD
Where is the childs father?

a.cricket
4 posted on 07/09/2002 2:22:43 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: GeneD
The fear here might be if she travels to a Muslim country her new husband may be given complete parental rights over her child contrary to any existing priviledges or visitation agreements already agreed upon in the US. The grandparents and the child's biological father could concieveably never see him again.

It doesn't sound like the boy's father is currently in the picture, but this is a press release and who knows what the complete story is at this time.

5 posted on 07/09/2002 2:23:14 PM PDT by Cu Roi
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To: GeneD
the woman's father said she "has engaged in some bizarre behavior, including wearing Muslim garb and declaring herself a Muslim."

I'd be concerned too if my daughter had endangered my grandchild by joining a cult.

8 posted on 07/09/2002 2:27:25 PM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: GeneD
concerns about whether this case will be decided based on the best interests of the child

CAIR doesn't care about the best interests of the child - they know that the second they set foot in Egypt, that the mother will never see the child again.

But Islam is the religion of peace....[rolling eyes]

9 posted on 07/09/2002 2:27:37 PM PDT by mhking
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To: GeneD
Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be Muslims!

And if Mamas don't have enough sense, let us here 3 big FReeper cheers for Grandmas who DO have enough sense!

And what about their ETERNAL destiny. Don't build no heathen temples, where the Lord's done laid His hand!

10 posted on 07/09/2002 2:27:42 PM PDT by crystalk
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The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) says the woman's parents were granted custody of her five-year-old boy after she converted to Islam, married an Egyptian man and planned to travel to Egypt.

It sounds like the grandparents are trying to prevent a "Not Without My Daughter" situation.

13 posted on 07/09/2002 2:32:55 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: GeneD
What I don't understand is why everyone thinks that the man she REMARRIED would want to kidnap her child once they went to Egypt? Stepchildren are not at all favorable to a muslim male.

I would like to hear more about the child's real father before I made any assumptions about this case
15 posted on 07/09/2002 2:36:26 PM PDT by Thoudothprotest
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CAIR needs to look at American law. Let's say this woman had done none of these things. Let's say she then got married to a Christian of the exact same denomination as the biological father. Now let's say that the woman decided to move, not to a foreign land, but just out of state.

The father, for sure, and the grandparents, maybe, would STILL have grounds for restraining such behavior, so as to preserve the visiting rights of the father. So while it's pretty clear that no one involved on the father's side much likes Moslems, there's plenty of basis for what's been done without resorting to issues of religious bias.
17 posted on 07/09/2002 2:38:34 PM PDT by RonF
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To: GeneD
Islamophobic

I knew this word was coming!

19 posted on 07/09/2002 2:49:31 PM PDT by SunStar
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To: GeneD
Perhaps the court is concerned the mother will strap a dynomite belt to the child.
20 posted on 07/09/2002 2:49:36 PM PDT by What Is Ain't
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I am willing to bet there is whole lot more to this story then we are being told. Being a muslim is not the only reason this child was taken away- the story says that she "has engaged in some bizarre behavior, including wearing Muslim garb and declaring herself a Muslim." I am willing to bet the strangest thing this woman has done lately has not been converting to Islam.
24 posted on 07/09/2002 2:57:38 PM PDT by retrokitten
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To: GeneD
more liberal pc bs......with islam the false religion
27 posted on 07/09/2002 3:12:53 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: GeneD
the woman's parents were granted custody of her five-year-old boy after she converted to Islam, married an Egyptian man and planned to travel to Egypt.

If it had been the father who petitioned for custody of this child, his son, then this woman, her Egyptian husband AND the child would be on their way to Egypt right now. The father hating "family courts" would have allowed this to happen just for spite instead of giving custody to a father.

28 posted on 07/09/2002 3:26:05 PM PDT by Orangedog
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To: GeneD; Prodigal Daughter; crystalk; Thinkin' Gal; Jeremiah Jr; babylonian; rdavis84; mancini; ...
CAIR is the lobbying arm of the demon-possessed Muslims intent on world conquest which has sworn to make America Muslim if it takes a hundred years.  See, Get Ready for Twenty World Trade Center Bombings (A MUST READ interview from 1997) -- Steve Emerson
The woman above only lost her child.  She could have lost her clitoris as well!

Islam means Submit or we'll torture and murder you!

Currently America is turning away from and despising Judeo-Christian beliefs and warmly accepting the occult and Islam!  Be alarmed!

One form of Judgment on the world is to just let Satan run loose for a while in the skin of these satanists.  This is what happens:

First [Destroy] The Saturday People [Jews], Then The Sunday People [Christians]

4/26/02 ~  SAUDI CALLS FOR ENSLAVING JEWISH WOMEN

U.S. Children as Targets of International Sex Slave Trade by Saudis

Female Genital Mutilation (Circumcision) in Africa, Middle East and Far East

Infant rape crisis jolts South Africa: 21,000 incidents in 2000: "Raping babies does not cure AIDS"

Stoning death awaits rape victim in Nigeria; rapist goes free

#8: Genocide in Rwanda and the perpetrators reaping their reward: Lava ... creates Hell on Earth

Genocide in Timor

4/27/02 ~  Indonesian Mob Kills 12 Christians

12/8/01 ~  Christians terrorized in Muslim Indonesia: Islamic militants praising bin Laden

11/13/01 ~  ISLAMIC JIHAD FORCES ATTACK CHRISTIAN VILLAGES IN INDONESIA

10/19/01 ~  Indonesia Muslims Turn Out in Force Against U.S. Raids ''our blood is boiling''

7/8/01 ~  Indonesian Christians Butchered In Islamic "Crusades".

5/29/01 ~ Churches Torched As Thousands Rally to Wahid's Side [in Indonesia]

Indonesia - The Man on a White Horse

2/5/01 ~  Indonesian Christians Forcibly Converted to Islam

***1/27/01 ~   Indonesia: Persecuted Christian Men, Women and Children & Forced Circumcision -- See lead article and Post #2***

6/21/00 ~ 108 Christians Massacred in Moluccas (Indonesia)

29 posted on 07/09/2002 3:48:14 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: GeneD; Prodigal Daughter; crystalk; Thinkin' Gal; Jeremiah Jr; babylonian; rdavis84; mancini; ...
Here is a prophetic dream by someone in 1997 prophesying what is to happen in America.  Note well, plan accordingly.

Dream of the Capturing of Many Women - 1997
11-18-97 - Frankie Moore  - TTVRF@aol.com

In a dream, I was observing a most atrocious sight. I saw women in great numbers being abducted from the streets, their homes, business places and even from shelters, barns and other places where they had been discovered hiding. Some were caught totally unaware while others seemed to have a measure of insight regarding this impending event. Yet, even at that, they had found no earthly place to remain hidden. I saw loving husbands and children watch as wives and mothers were literally ripped away from their sides. Big, strong and muscular men were helpless to abort the seizure of their beloved mates, family and friends.

Next, I saw these females, who were of all ages, size, nationalities and financial status, being ushered into a huge building. Many, many women were being institutionalized against their will. They could do nothing about it! A few tried to fight off those tyrants but were unable to flee from the bonds that held them. In some manner, either by body or spirit, I was there among those who were taken captive. It was a most frightful event. All felt so helpless. They had to obey the commands that were given or risk horrible torture and possible death. Each woman was given a small room, similar to a jail cell and could not even go to the rest room without being accompanied by an escort.

Everyone was forced to dress in a certain manner. They were provided with long black dresses and a turban style headdress. Their heads were to be covered with these at all times, even while sleeping. Each turban had a code or something on the backside of it. To remove this covering for any reason was forbidden and put a person at risk of receiving a severe battering . To defy authorities and break rules was never tolerated. In the dark stillness of the night, it was common to hear the screaming and wailing of the many who were being raped and tormented. In the daylight hours, the visible parts of many captive ladies revealed bruises caused from grotesque beatings. The presence of animalistic bite marks further denoted the cruel manner in which the prisoners were treated. I knew that those in charge were Muslims and yet many of them had Oriental faces. Oh, what a terrible dread was associated with those inhumane beasts. They were vile and barbaric, showing no mercy.

Although many tried desperately, not one woman could obtain information about the welfare of their loved ones left behind. This in itself was almost more sorrow than some could bare. I have never in my entire life witnessed a greater or deeper pain than what I felt for all those who had been suddenly snatched from living in freedom and forced into a lifestyle that was fearsome and dreadful.

My conclusion to all of this is that something of this very nature, according to what I witnessed in my dream, is about to emerge right here in the USA soon. Right now is the time to make every preparation possible to withstand the horrifying torture of body, mind and spirit. The Holy Ghost is warning all who will listen, to come before God in true repentance. This includes the sinners, saints and all shades in between. Those who walk with the Lord must be attentive and listen to what the Spirit is saying so that they might be able to rise above the great pressures and oppressions of the enemy. When all hell breaks loose in upcoming days, there will be tremendous difficulties, even for those who thought they were prepared. And yet, for those who are caught unaware, it will be totally catastrophic and the associated pain unbearable.


30 posted on 07/09/2002 3:50:18 PM PDT by 2sheep
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Eternal Life Ministries ~~~ This site has some excellent articles on understanding suffering.  It would be good to read them all.  Here is the latest: Greater Works Than These
31 posted on 07/09/2002 4:10:09 PM PDT by 2sheep
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Hmmmm. Fascinating analysis of facts not in evidence. Where, for instance, does this article divulge the race or eye color of the parties involved? The article also states that the woman plans to TRAVEL to Egypt. Maybe she intends to move there, maybe not. Perhaps if she were traveling to Acapulco that would be okay.

So she converted to Islam. Love to disregard that first amendment right to freedom of religion, don't we?
32 posted on 07/09/2002 5:24:35 PM PDT by ivegotabrain
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To: GeneD
Let the woman go; let the grandparents have the joy of their grandkid.
34 posted on 07/09/2002 5:45:11 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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