Then maybe you could tell me why I have many overwieght vegetarian friends, and a couple of others who tell me that they just can't lose their extra weight.
Hmm. Fat intake, it would seem. Perhaps water rention. The second law of thermodynamics, that one can't get more out a system than one puts in, is universal. They might read the labels or fat tables of what they're eating. Beyond this, I can't speak for anyone outside my family, all of whom however, #9 and not eating red meat or pork products seems to work for.
w, ping.