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To: commieprof
For those that may be interested.

The Trotskyist Manifesto

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In vast areas of the planet capitalism has been overthrown, whilst to preserve it elsewhere has cost the lives of tens and even hundreds of millions in localised and world wars; famine continues to claim countless victims in a world where food "surpluses" are burned.

This testifies to the fact that capitalism has long passed from the early phase of its development, when it was a relatively progressive system, to its terminal phase when it has become absolutely reactionary--in short to the epoch in which its death agony takes place.

The question that faces humanity is whether imperialism will drag all classes into a common ruin or whether the working class can lead the exploited and oppressed into a new social order; one where democratically planned production for need based upon common ownership opens up the prospect of a classless, stateless world. The objective pre-requisites for this have long existed: technology, science, the means of production and a multi-millioned world proletariat.

Twice this century, in 1914-23 and 1939-47, capitalism has been thrown into such acute worldwide convulsions that it stared death in the face. Twice, its own rivalries and contradictions have raised up the spectre of its global defeat at the hands of the proletariat. On countless other occasions the proletariat of individual countries has sought to settle accounts decisively with its exploiters.

But, as yet, it has not found, or been able to preserve, a leadership capable of completing the task of the world revolution. Before 1914 the Socialist International did assemble a mass-based world movement of the working class, but this suffered degeneration and betrayal before it could create the centralised leadership necessary for victory in the approaching revolutionary crises.

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I'll bet hopes were high when Slick Willy won in 92

252 posted on 07/09/2002 5:14:59 PM PDT by Fzob
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To: Fzob
Exactly. This is something that many FReepers don't understand. Bush is fighting against the tide of communism that Clinton and Cloud have worked so hard for.
256 posted on 07/09/2002 6:11:45 PM PDT by Conservative Chicagoan
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To: Fzob; commieprof
Twice this century, in 1914-23 and 1939-47, capitalism has been thrown into such acute worldwide convulsions that it stared death in the face. Twice, its own rivalries and contradictions have raised up the spectre of its global defeat at the hands of the proletariat. On countless other occasions the proletariat of individual countries has sought to settle accounts decisively with its exploiters.

But, as yet, it has not found, or been able to preserve, a leadership capable of completing the task of the world revolution. Before 1914 the Socialist International did assemble a mass-based world movement of the working class, but this suffered degeneration and betrayal before it could create the centralised leadership necessary for victory in the approaching revolutionary crises.

Very interesting. It is with your claim of being a Trotskyite, and this little snippet where you cast your lot with Hitler. It is refreshing to see a socialist actually claim their heritage rather than trying to make the people believe that it is the heritage of the right. Herein lies a distinction that the light of truth shines for those who bother to educate themselves. Nazis are socialists, socialists are Nazis. Communists are only slightly more bloodthirsty socialists. Again I ask, how can you be what you claim to be? Are you so self-congratulatory and delusional that you actually think that yourself and those who can believe like you do can take pure evil and make it into pure good? Or are you merely pure evil and wish to make others believe otherwise so that you may seize power?

And please dont assume that I am simple minded or stupid because I believe in the principles of right and wrong. I hold these beliefs not because I am a fundamental Christian (tho I am a non-practicing Christian), but due to more secular influences in our culture, influences that could never exist in your utopia...JFK

267 posted on 07/09/2002 10:55:31 PM PDT by BADROTOFINGER
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