[VRWC_minion]

I'm sure you do. Yet, does she learn that her "input" is meaningless and changes nothing? Will she then, from your given example with teachers, suck up to the a$$hole to get what she wants or needs?

It depends on her arguments. We have been known to change our minds but even when she knows its hopeless she is encouraged to continue arguing. We critique it as she goes along.

She is encouraged to suck up to her parents at all times but she knows it doesn't change our decisions unless she presents facts or provides add'l info.

[philman_36]

Ok man. Like I said...You've got a strange way of teaching things, but it is your choice.
Carry on, and good luck.