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To: Virginia-American
Aah the usual charge of out of context quotes. Who cares for those charges by evolutionists. The guy does not even give the quote by Behe for comparions, that's how lame the charge is. However, you do not seem to mind the many totally deliberate frauds by evolutionists such as Haeckel's embryos, the moths, the finches, Lucy, eosymias, Piltdown Man and many more. That is okay. BTW - there is in your article not a single word refuting the scientific arguments made by Behe, not a single word.
96 posted on 07/08/2002 10:14:11 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
But Gore3000, I am God and this is how I did it!

You, a human, dare to question how I created this world?

Did you not read all the teachings I have taught all of you humans over the last 10,000 years? Ok, it tooks a little while for you to finally comprehend the idea of a written word.

Humans are not the smartest critters around, but I do enjoy playing with them. Eventually, they may figure it out, dispite their best efforts to blindly obey what other humans tell them.

99 posted on 07/08/2002 10:25:32 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: gore3000
Aah the usual charge of out of context quotes. Who cares for those charges by evolutionists.

Honest people.

Why is it a 'usual charge'? Because there are repeat offenders.

The guy does not even give the quote by Behe for comparions, that's how lame the charge is.

Huh? It's in the linked-to article:

Jerry Coyne, of the Department of Ecology and Evolution at the University of Chicago, arrives at an unanticipated verdict: "We conclude--unexpectedly--that there is little evidence for the neo-Darwinian view: its theoretical foundations and the experimental evidence supporting it are weak." (p 29 darwin's black box)

Apparently I am one of those faint-hearted biologists who see the errors of Darwinism but cannot admit it. This was news to me... (Coyne speaking)

This is what Behe started with:

Although a few biologists have suggested an evolutionary role for mutations or large effect (Gould 1980; Maynard Smith 1983: Gottlieb, 1984; Turner, 1985), the neo-Darwinian view has largely triumphed, and the genetic basis of adaptation now receives little attention. Indeed, the question is considered so dead that few may know the evidence responsible for its demise. Here we review this evidence. We conclude--unexpectedly--that there is little evidence for the neo-Darwinian view: its theoretical foundations and the experimental evidence supporting it are weak, and there is no doubt that mutations of large effect are sometimes important in adaptation.
We hasten to add, however, that we are not "macromutationists" who believe that adaptations are nearly always based on major genes. The neo-Darwinian view could well be correct. It is almost certainly true, however, that some adaptations involve many genes of small effect and others involve major genes. The question we address is, How often does adaptation involve a major gene? We hope to encourage evolutionists to reexamine this neglected question and to provide the evidence to settle it.

Notice how Behe inserted a period. This is one of the reasons for the peer-review process.

Has Behe apologized and promised to clean this up in future printings?

112 posted on 07/09/2002 9:11:10 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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