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To: medved
Even the little system for turning the flight feathers, venetian-blind fashion, so that the air flows through the wing on up strokes?? Come on, PH: tell us all what purpose that could possibly serve before the velociraptor actually turned into a flying bird . . .

You're stuck on this SHAZAM model in which a dinosaur turns into a bird in one day. You've been knocking it over for 10 years and you're not going to get unstuck now.

When does your feather-turning system have to appear? By the time it's necessary, it's there, because it was helpful at an earlier phase. At any given time, you're only building on what you have.

But there's no stopping you from doing strawman models based upon sheer ignorance. It's your whole game.

84 posted on 07/08/2002 7:25:34 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I'm not talking about any sort of one-day models: I'm talking about your own idiotic model in which dinosaur turns into bird over 10,000 generations, and the little feature for turning the flight feathers, without which the whole design for birds doesn't work at all, evolves right along with everything else so that, one day, 10,000 generations later, presto-change shazam, it's all there!! All I'm asking you to do is tell us WHY such a feature might arise via chance mutations at the same time as all the other features were arising via other chance mutations in order to produce a flying bird, given that every one of those functions was useless at best and much more likely antifunctional every day of those 10,000 generations until the whole thing worked.

I mean, it's not really hard to comprehend the rational for making name-calling into the art form you evos have; I couldn't come up with any sort of a rational way to defend anything that stupid myself.

86 posted on 07/08/2002 7:58:03 PM PDT by medved
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