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To: BOBTHENAILER; waterstraat
"Thanks for the long and thoughtful response."

Thank you both for taking the time to read and reply to it.

"The only place we disagree is staying away in November, in protest of 245i, will be good."

Just for the record, I would never advocate staying away from the polls, as a response to bad governance, ever. My whole family and our friends will be voting, if I have to drive them to the polls or bring them absentee ballots. We just won't be voting for any candidates that are openly pro-illegal immigration, open borders, anti-deportation, pro-amnesty, etc., etc.. Even, if they're Republican.

"To me conceding a vote, any vote, give the RAT/leftist coalition the chance at regaining power. If they do, our chances are gone forever."

This is what, IMHO, needs clarification. When you say, "our chances are gone forever," who are you really refering to?

What matters to the "our" I'm talking about is the chances of voters that are both fiscal and social conservatives having a voice in our government.

Have we won anything in November, if we vote a RINO/leftist, open borders, pro-amnesty, big spending and taxing coalition into power? IMHO, no.

Does it really matter that the Republicans stay in charge, if they govern by the Democrat/Libertarian Party's Platforms? Again, IMHO, no.

If we allow the RINOs to keep letting 1.6 to 3.6 million 3rd world, liberal, illegal aliens to enter this country, every year, "our" conservative candidate's chances are what's "gone forever." I can't see wasting my vote on RINOs that just vote against us, once they're in the House and the Senate, anymore.

"I would even go further with economic sanctions against the offending country the illegal came from"

We agree, again. We should, at least, deny them our foreign aid money.

109 posted on 07/10/2002 6:35:12 AM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
Have we won anything in November, if we vote a RINO/leftist, open borders, pro-amnesty, big spending and taxing coalition into power? IMHO, no. Does it really matter that the Republicans stay in charge, if they govern by the Democrat/Libertarian Party's Platforms? Again, IMHO, no. If we allow the RINOs to keep letting 1.6 to 3.6 million 3rd world, liberal, illegal aliens to enter this country, every year, "our" conservative candidate's chances are what's "gone forever." I can't see wasting my vote on RINOs that just vote against us, once they're in the House and the Senate, anymore.

You are absolutely right, it does not matter what name they call themselves, we will be very much worse off. (for your information though, many Libertarians are against open borders. Hopefully we will change that official position soon)

110 posted on 07/10/2002 12:30:37 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: 4Freedom
If we allow the RINOs to keep letting 1.6 to 3.6 million 3rd world, liberal, illegal aliens to enter this country, every year, "our" conservative candidate's chances are what's "gone forever."

Just a few thoughts. Today, on FOX news, Molly Hernnenburg? brought up the report that Sabertooth pinged me on, that the LAX shooter stayed because of 245i, she then went on to say there was growing opposition to illegals and wrapped it in with the visa for sale scam out of Qatar. Very nice piece of reporting.

Tomorrow on FOX's new show pulse, they are going to show how Mexican coyote's have smuggled arabs into the US.

I'm hoping the weight of public exposure will bring about a change in philosophy and get Bush off current thinking and effect a change that is what we all want to see.

I don't intend to vote for any RINO's either. I've started giving only to individual candidates with conservative positions, not to the RNCC or the RNC. I've told all their people who call that my money will NOT be watered down and spread to people like McCain, Chaffee, Snowe, etc.

111 posted on 07/10/2002 6:19:38 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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