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Bob, you can't blame those of us that are confounded by Bush's lack of desire to get our legal and illegal immigration house in order for being a little less than enthusiastic about this President having a Republican controlled House and Senate.

There's a majority of Americans that want illegal immigration stopped, deportations started immediately, employers prosecuted, legal immigration reduced to 250,000 to 300,000 yearly and the fast-track visa programs eliminated, etc., etc..

What happened the last time Bush tried every dirty, sneaky, underhanded, behind-our-backs, political trick, in-the-book to push his 245i extension through?

It squeeked through the Republican controlled House and would have made it through, IMHO, a Republican controlled Senate.

It's Bush's fault we're conflicted on your stated goal of a Republican controlled Senate. It's Bush's fault we question, if really want to give a RINO President that kind of power.

As I just wrote to another Freeper, re-read the last 120 years of Republican Party, platform planks on immigration and then the Libertarian Party's immigration platform plank.

Tell me, IYO, which one Bush is following.

Tell me why there's an anti-deportation Libertarian in charge of the INS and a Hispanic, illegal immigration advocate working as the chief border patrol agent in Arizona?

You talk as if anyone that isn't over-joyed at the prospect of a Republican controlled House and Senate is betraying the Republican Party.

I believe we would be over-joyed at that prospect, if we had a truly Republican President.

I shudder to think what our nation's December will be like, if this President and Mexico's Vicente Fox have their way on immigration.

You talk as if anyone that isn't over-joyed at the prospect of a Republican controlled House and Senate is betraying the Republican Party.

I do not intend to cast blame, please don't get me wrong here. I agree with almost all of your points, with the exception of not supporting the senate power takeover. The danger of not controlling the senate, is glaringly obvious today.
1. We cannot get conservative judges in place. You think Daschle & Leahy's judges would rule with us on any immigration litigation?
2. We cannot get a sane Energy Bill which is vital for a sound economy and to enhance national security. Look what happened in CA in the winter of 2000-went from a surplus to $20 billion in debt.
3. We could not get a "good" economic stimulus package through and in part, I think we can attribute the slow recovery to that.
4. The best answer to failing schools which would have had incalculable benefits, vouchers, was squashed because of a RAT senate.
5. The tax reductions will be in jeopardy with a Rat senate.
6. Any legislation relating to the war on terrorism will be fought over, causing the division the RATs are seeking.
7. Ridiculous legislation like "Hate Crimes" bills and all manner of Enviro-nazi bills will be passed by a RAT senate.

I do not mean to lecture on this issue, as you, Sabertooth and many others are as much or more politically astute than I am. I am leary of the party losing its base, or a good part of it over this issue. You, Sabertooth and others are to be commended for making this a hot-button issue. I think you have made a difference; look at Tancredo & O'Reilly for confirmation of this.

My only point here, is that IMO, a RAT controlled senate, delivered in the name of illegal immigration opposition, will have far more detrimental consequences than any benefit we may be seeking.