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Ukraine: Meteorite may have caused flash that alarmed pilot
Haaretz ^ | 6-7-02 | Yossi Melman

Posted on 07/06/2002 11:34:12 AM PDT by Petar Mrkonjic

Ukraine: Meteorite may have caused flash that alarmed pilot

By Yossi Melman, Ha'aretz Correspondent, News agencies


A meteorite may have caused the flash that alarmed an Israeli pilot flying over Ukraine, Ukrainian officials said Saturday, insisting that it wasn't a missile.

An El Al pilot reported seeing a missile fired from the ground over central Ukraine during a Tel Aviv-Moscow flight on Thursday night. Israeli officials said the missile exploded a few miles away from the plane.

Three Russian pilots confirmed Saturday they had seen a sizeable flash in the area of the El Al plane over eastern Ukraine.

The Ukrainian Defense Ministry said Ukraine had not conducted any missile launches since accidentally downing a Russian airliner on a flight last October from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk in Siberia, killing 78 passengers and crew. Many of the passengers were new immigrants to Israel from the former Soviet Union.

On Saturday, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry released a statement saying no missiles had been fired in the area that night, and that the pilots may have witnessed a meteorite entering the Earth's atmosphere.

Officials from Ukraine's National Space Agency also suggested a meteorite could have been the culprit, as did Yaroslav Skalko, deputy chairman of Ukraine's civil aviation department, ITAR-Tass and Interfax reported.

"The airplane crews who saw over Ukrainian territory on July 4 a flash that resembled a missile explosion were observing phenomena of unidentified origin not related to the activities of the Ukrainian armed forces," the Defense Ministry statement said.

The ministry said the stocks of missiles and other long-range ammunition were inspected and nothing was missing, according to ITAR-Tass and Interfax.

Ukrainian government officials told Israeli officials Friday that it was prepared to work with Israel in its investigation of the incident.

Transport Minister Ephraim Sneh said Friday that the Israeli plane had never been in any danger and voiced doubts it had come under attack.

Sneh said he had spoken at length with the El Al pilot, whom he described as an experienced combat veteran of the Israel Air Force.

"There is no doubt that he saw a missile that exploded in the air, apparently far from the plane," Sneh told Army Radio. "Circumstances suggest it was not launched at the El Al plane."

Amos Shapira, El Al's managing director, told Army Radio: "The pilot saw a flash... It was at least 10 to 100 miles [16 to 160 kilometers] away. The plane was in no danger."

This is the second external confirmation of the report: the pilot of a Ukrainian plane also reported seeing a flash in the sky at the time.

The Ukrainian Defense Ministry said Ukraine had not conducted any missile launches since accidentally downing a Russian airliner on a flight last October from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk in Siberia, killing 78 passengers and crew. Many of the passengers were new immigrants to Israel from the former Soviet Union.

Ukrainian government officials told Israeli officials Friday that it was prepared to work with Israel in its investigation of the incident.

With the announcement, Ukrainian officials were not denying the possibility that they were connected to the incident, but said they had thoroughly investigated the matter and found no connection.

Transport Minister Ephraim Sneh said Friday that the Israeli plane had never been in any danger and voiced doubts it had come under attack.

Sneh said he had spoken at length with the El Al pilot, whom he described as an experienced combat veteran of the Israel Air Force.

"There is no doubt that he saw a missile that exploded in the air, apparently far from the plane," Sneh told Army Radio. "Circumstances suggest it was not launched at the El Al plane."

Reports of the purported missile launch followed an attack at an El Al counter at Los Angeles airport in which a gunman killed two people before security guards shot him dead.

The Ukrainian government said the military had not fired a missile. "At that time there was no military training with shooting in Ukraine," Defense Ministry spokesman Kostiantyn Khivrenko said. "Nobody shot even from cannons and automatic rifles, not only in that direction, but in all Ukraine."

Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma said that since the shooting down of the Sibir Airlines plane, "all missile exercises in Ukraine have been banned."

Amos Shapira, El Al's managing director, told Army Radio: "The pilot saw a flash... It was at least 10 to 100 miles [16 to 160 kilometers] away. The plane was in no danger."


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elal; meteor; missile; ukraine
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I would think that the US satellites would have been able to verify if this was a missile launch.
1 posted on 07/06/2002 11:34:12 AM PDT by Petar Mrkonjic
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To: Petar Mrkonjic
An El Al pilot reported seeing a missile fired from the ground

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that meteorites fall from the sky instead of flying upwards from the ground.

2 posted on 07/06/2002 11:38:24 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Petar Mrkonjic
Ukraine: Meteorite may have caused flash that alarmed pilot

and in other news ...

Ukraine: Meteorite may have caused meltdown at Chernobyl in 1986
3 posted on 07/06/2002 11:40:10 AM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Petar Mrkonjic
El Al pilots are ex military. He would probably be able to tell the two apart.

4 posted on 07/06/2002 11:40:20 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: Momaw Nadon; BrooklynGOP; Bobby777
As I mentioned,I believe that the US government can determine the cause,and most likely already has,as they did with the previous missile S-300,shot from Ukrayne.
5 posted on 07/06/2002 11:42:47 AM PDT by Petar Mrkonjic
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To: Petar Mrkonjic
"Yeah... it was a meteor, that's it!"



6 posted on 07/06/2002 11:43:11 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: BrooklynGOP
LA FBI agent Gracia is looking to see if this was a hate meteorite...
7 posted on 07/06/2002 11:43:52 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Sabertooth
"Yeah... it was a meteor, that's it!"

And the LAX gunmen was just trying to get paid for his overdue El Al invoices!

La-la land is such fun!

(Wake me up when we're all dead).

8 posted on 07/06/2002 11:48:13 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Petar Mrkonjic
are they sure it wasn't 'swamp gas'?
9 posted on 07/06/2002 11:48:28 AM PDT by servantoftheservant
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To: browardchad
"Honest officer, I'm not drunk... I'm swerving from the meteorites!"



10 posted on 07/06/2002 11:51:02 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Momaw Nadon
Please read this excerpt of a post from a n earlier thread on the same topic:
I have no doubt I'll get snide, mocking comments over this one. But now the pilot reports simply seem to indicate a "flash" and that practically screams "detonation of a fireball meteor bolide." No indication of seeing anything rise up from the ground. And even if that was seen, an "earthgrazer" fireball will rise UP from the horizon (meteor entering the atmosphere at a low "skimming" angle; I saw one of these last year, prior to the main Leonid storm in November. rose from the horizon to the zenith and detonated.) The average airline pilot, of course, has seen meteors, but will likely not have seen a truly bright fireball. They're common in one sense, in that there will be one over populated areas of the world SOMEWHERE every few weeks, but any individual person likely hasn't seen one. They mostly occur from midnight to 6 AM as well. And they are INCREDIBLY bright. I've never seen a REAL bright one, but during the Leonid "firball storm" of 1998, I saw one that literally lit up the entire countryside as if it were daylight when it detonated, and it left a glowing "smoke trail" that persisted for 8 minutes (timed with a stopwatch.) The trail visibly twisted in stratospheric winds. THAT fireball literally looked like a Patriot hitting a SCUD, and they get FAR brighter than the one I saw. And it's impossible to judge distances to them, and people UNIVERSALLY perceive them as far closer than they appear. Very few meteors lead to meteorite falls (actually hitting the ground) but for bright fireballs where the end of the trail ends up over the horizon, people will SWEAR up and down that it "hit" the ground just over the next hill, a mile or so away, when actually the fireball trail was over 60 miles away and nothing hit the ground.
1 posted on 7/6/02 8:23 AM Central by John H K [ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

11 posted on 07/06/2002 11:51:58 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Petar Mrkonjic
bttt

Happy Birthday Mr.President!

Don't miss this one.

12 posted on 07/06/2002 12:06:04 PM PDT by lodwick
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To: Petar Mrkonjic
After brazenly lying about the downing of KAL 007 in 1983, there's no reason to trust the Russian Defense Ministry.

I wonder if our satellites got a launch-detection? We may never know.

13 posted on 07/06/2002 12:20:02 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Petar Mrkonjic
Šta biti te dogaðaj ovdje? Ovih neo - konzervativan volja izvaditi drob te da te razilaziti se u mišljenju ravan pojedinac mrvica iz njihov zabava lineSome ovdje biti gori nego ponajgori odreðeni èlan Boljševik.
14 posted on 07/06/2002 12:30:54 PM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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To: Petar Mrkonjic
Was it also a meteorite last year when an Israeli airliner was blown out of the Ukranian sky mysteriously last year?

La-la-lala, connect the dots...

15 posted on 07/06/2002 12:34:56 PM PDT by Frances_Marion
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To: Momaw Nadon
See the meteor they are describing is the kind that can change it's molecular formation so that it can go THROUGH the earth therefor that is why the pilot saw it the way he did. You really don't think the officials at the top would LIE to the public do you?
16 posted on 07/06/2002 12:44:05 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Dog
"hate meteorite"

ROFL
17 posted on 07/06/2002 12:48:50 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: Momaw Nadon
" Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that meteorites fall from the sky instead of flying upwards from the ground. '

That is one of the "No Dongs" meterorite. They always fall from the ground, upward.

18 posted on 07/06/2002 12:49:09 PM PDT by auggy
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
You may want to translate that.
19 posted on 07/06/2002 12:56:43 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
Um, he is just whining in Croatian, complaining about us being worse than the strictest member of the Bolshevics. Wonder why he wants to hang around, then?
20 posted on 07/06/2002 1:41:05 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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