[CIBvet]

I'm pinging a bunch of you vet-types, both active duty and retired. The discussion should be insightful.

[vetvetdoug]

All I can do is agree with Hackworth. It is going to take a debacle like a Kassarine Pass to get some changes going. I just hope our lives don't hinge on one battle.

[F.J. Mitchell]

Despite the obvious short comings of basic training these days, I am impressed with the effictiveness of our troops, both in DesertStorm and so far in this war on terror. I am proud of our troops-God bless them all.

I do support tougher training early on though, for their own survivability and safety, when the sh*t hits the fan.