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To: LostTribe
The antecedent is that we know they held onto their Gallo language because it was present before the Normans and present after the Normans.

The Normans abandoned their Old West Gothic and Norse! More than likely 3/4 of the people they brought with them in their baggage train on their attacks were Irish and Welsh slaves anyway!

When a small population of males invades and conquers another population that speaks a different language, their descendants end up speaking the language of the mothers - and those mothers will typically be from among the conquered population.

The fact that Gallo was spoken in Normandy before and after the arrival of the Vikings proves it was mostly a male invading force and that local women were taken to wife. No doubt the language changed through time, but it was Gallo that changed to a different variety of Gallo, and not Gothic that became Norman French.

We note, also, that Anglo-Saxon contiued to exist in England and eventually came to dominate over the Norman-French, Gallo and Gaelic spoken by the Conquerors. Again, we need point no further than to the mothers.

Then, too, English has been demonstrated to be much more robust in the acceptance of foreign words than have other languages. Presently it has a virtually infinite vocabulary. No other language has demonstrated this capacity.

143 posted on 07/04/2002 8:46:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
English is close to 40% contaminated by French words.
144 posted on 07/04/2002 8:48:19 PM PDT by Torie
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To: muawiyah
I might add the French was the language of English law for a long time, and legal terms in English are largely of French origin. We even have variations of French (guaranty - Norman French; guarantee - Parisian French).
146 posted on 07/04/2002 8:51:40 PM PDT by Torie
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To: muawiyah
OK, I've tried to respond to your assertions. Now it's your turn to respond. Here is my case, in 3 minutes:

 

A 3-MINUTE HISTORY

Four Thousand years ago, Abraham (a great-great grandson of Shem, a son of Noah) and a small group of Hebrews (of which there were & are many varieties) migrated from southern Iraq to Canaan (~Palestine). Several generations later, around 1853 BC, his Grandson Jacob (who was renamed Israel ) and his 12 Sons and families moved to Egypt. As offspring of Shem, they were called "Shemites" or "Semites", as were his many other offspring.

~1453 BC, now as the 12 Tribes of the 12 Sons of Israel, and over 3 Million strong, these Semites bailed out of Egypt in the well-documented EXODUS and fled back to ~Palestine.  But the Tribes “couldn't all get along” there, so ~922 BC these 5 Million Israelites split into the Northern and Southern Kingdoms.

(In actual numbers, 5 Million people is about the same size as Ireland, Norway, Denmark or Israel today, and was 10% of the estimated 50 Million world population at that time. The world population is now ONE HUNDRED TIMES as large. Compared to todays 6 Billion people, the Israelites relative population would have been over twice as large as the United States of America!)

The very large Northern Kingdom was made up of 10 of the Tribes. Inheriting the Kingly names which applied to all 12 Tribes before the split, it (alone) becomes known as the Kingdom of Israel or House of Israel, (and House of Joseph and House of Ephriam ), and is led by the Tribe of Ephraim . These Northern Israelites were taken into captivity by the Assyrians ~722 BC and relocated to the northern Fertile Crescent area of Iraq/Iran. They were not diligent in updating their eMail addresses, thus were called, by some, the "Lost Tribes", or "Lost Sheep" or "Lost Children" of the Kingdom or House of Israel. (But at ~1/12 of the worlds population it seems unlikely they would actually disappear, or get "lost". The global population ~75 Million.)

A hundred years later, this "lost" Northern Kingdom of Israel with now over 6 Million Israelites helped the Medes and Persians overthrow the Assyrians, then escaped north through the Caucasus Mountains and past the Black and Caspian Seas, to explode into history ~610 BC as The Celts. These Celts mixed with (and fought against) each other, and other scattered Israelites (proto-Celts) who had escaped from Egypt by sea a thousand years earlier and established numerous outposts in Europe and elsewhere.

These Millions of Celts grew over time to become Hundreds of Millions as they migrated in waves westward and northwest to Galatia, Ephesus, Corinth, Phillipi, to what is today Hallstadt, Austria and Neuchatel, Switzerland (where exist major Celtic digs and museums) and beyond, to dominate Northern and Western Europe. These Celts (also as Angles, Saxons, Scythians, Cimmerians, etc.) are the rootstock of today’s Europeans, and Americans.

The much smaller Southern Kingdom was made up of the Tribe of Judah & a mix of Levites and Benjamites. It was also known as the Kingdom of Judah or House of Judah . These Southern Israelites were taken captive in ~587 BC and removed to Babylon. Only ~50,000 returned to Palestine ~70 years later. They and their offspring are called Jews.



161 posted on 07/04/2002 9:34:13 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: muawiyah
What evidence do you have of the Norman conquerors of England speaking any language besides Norman French? I am totally unaware of any evidence of their speaking some Celtic dialect.
217 posted on 07/05/2002 2:05:41 PM PDT by aristeides
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