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The United States in decline?
Foreign Policy Magazine ^ | July/August 2002 | Immanuel Wallerstein

Posted on 07/04/2002 1:28:31 PM PDT by A. Pole

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1 posted on 07/04/2002 1:28:31 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
Reminds me of the hubbub about Francis Fukuyama's "End of History". Real historians aren't opportunists.
2 posted on 07/04/2002 1:37:37 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: A. Pole; Orual; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer
Uh ...... a happy 7/4 to you too.

I counted 17 iterations of "hegemon" in its various forms. Give me a friggin' break.

3 posted on 07/04/2002 1:39:48 PM PDT by dighton
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To: A. Pole
As much as I admire the Japanese technical prowess, I have to chuckle a bit over this one. The Japanese have a *terrible* track record with making money with computers. The money isn't with giant supercomputers (which is a remnent of the IBM mainframe mindset) but rather in selling MANY intermediate level clustered computers. Hats off to Nippon if they can make the fastest mainframe.

The US effort in supercomputers is at the level of molecular computers, not silicon based designs, I would guess...

When all of this hits, the Japanese designs will be obsolete overnight, just as digital technology wiped out the entire Japanese High Definition TV effort (the Japanese companies LOST THEIR SHIRTS on this!)

4 posted on 07/04/2002 1:39:50 PM PDT by chilepepper
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To: A. Pole
Opinions are like Clymers- everybodys got one.
5 posted on 07/04/2002 1:41:15 PM PDT by csmusaret
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Wyatt Earp in Decline?
6 posted on 07/04/2002 1:43:12 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: A. Pole
The analysis goes on to note that there are “contrasting scientific and technological priorities” in the two countries. The Japanese machine is built to analyze climatic change, but U.S. machines are designed to simulate weapons. This contrast embodies the oldest story in the history of hegemonic powers. The dominant power concentrates (to its detriment) on the military; the candidate for successor concentrates on the economy.

And it is said that she-lions whelp in the streets whenever kingdoms fall. And comets appear in the skies. And little children find orange colored boogers in their noses.
7 posted on 07/04/2002 1:46:40 PM PDT by dr_who
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If this is what passes for senior scholarship at Yale, it is just another symptom of how much trouble our academic institutions are in.

There are no barriers to American "hegemony" at this point in history. The only military consideration is China, which is a distant second and could easily be pre-occupied by Russia for a slice of the world pie. With the US at the tip of the pyramid, we could begin an era of benevolent despotism unseen since the Pax Romana. Of course, that would take courage and vision, which are both in short supply in our government. So we will undoubtedly piss this opportunity away, much to the regret of humankind.

All this talk about "American imperial overstretch" is retreaded gibberish. The same decline has been predicted by the same liberal hand-wringers for more than half a century now. And with no greater accuracy than this one. Far from declining, the American sun is the only star in the sky. Our friends should celebrate, and our enemies quake in fear.

8 posted on 07/04/2002 1:47:38 PM PDT by IronJack
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Finally, there is the ideological sphere. Right now, the U.S. economy seems relatively weak, even more so considering the exorbitant military expenses associated with hawk strategies.

Funny, a little over a year ago when the communist Clinton was in office, the US was on an unending rise to power unimagined before, now, suddenly we've become weak, a has been, it's all over but the shouting.

The only thing these guys can do is TALK us to death.

9 posted on 07/04/2002 1:48:07 PM PDT by McGavin999
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President Bush’s options appear extremely limited, and there is little doubt that the United States will continue to decline as a decisive force in world affairs over the next decade.

Because, you know, it's never the rich, powerful, populous nations that are "decisive force"s in world affairs.

10 posted on 07/04/2002 1:51:15 PM PDT by Jonathon Spectre
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This guy has been reading the Chinese handbook on how to view the globe...
11 posted on 07/04/2002 1:52:37 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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Look, it's simple. Yesterday, our airforce bombed a command and control center in Iraq. Did the whiners whine?, NO. Did the EUers eeeeewwwww? No. Did the Osama lovers blather? No. Because all this talk about invading is just and effort to give politcal cover for continued operations over Iraq. Bush has worked this brilliantly !
12 posted on 07/04/2002 1:54:36 PM PDT by ChadGore
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To: dighton
NEVER trust anyone who uses the word 'hegemony.'
13 posted on 07/04/2002 1:56:58 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: A. Pole
bflr

14 posted on 07/04/2002 1:59:11 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: Captainpaintball
"NEVER trust anyone who uses the word 'hegemony.' "

Never trust anyone who goes on for page after page after page and never seems to get to a point.

15 posted on 07/04/2002 2:01:34 PM PDT by Kerberos
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Much truth here ....but many lies. The U.S. economy is right now the strongest in the world. A few supercomputers are not going to help the Japanese who are facing the threat of a serious economic meltdown for a number of reasons. Even if the premise is correct, there is no country ascending that is even close to the U.S.....final analysis - so what?
16 posted on 07/04/2002 2:03:30 PM PDT by wewereright
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To: dighton
I counted 17 iterations of "hegemon" in its various forms. Give me a friggin' break.

Not an accident. Wallerstein has been predicting the end of the United States as a global power for more than twenty years now. He's best known for his "world systems theory". No?

"World systems theory" says that countries fall into three categories - "core" capitalist nations, "peripheral" states that are either weak or controlled outright by core states, and those few states that fall somewhere in between, and act as a buffer between the core and the periphery. And the core states get all fat and sassy because they exploit the peripheral states for raw materials and cheap labor and yadda yadda yadda. If it sounds vaguely familiar, it should - Wallerstein's "big" idea was to imagine the whole world laboring under the 19'th century British mercantilist system, with the predictable Marxist spin to it.

And that's pretty much where this piece comes from, and why he's been writing the same op-ed piece for almost three decades now - he's basically rooting for the world's hegemonic exploiter to stumble and fall for its comeuppance. Of course, if it doesn't, he'll have an answer for that, too, never fear...

17 posted on 07/04/2002 2:04:47 PM PDT by general_re
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To: A. Pole
Bump for later read.
18 posted on 07/04/2002 2:21:26 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: dr_who
Reminds me of the hubbub about Francis Fukuyama's "End of History". Real historians aren't opportunists.

Bad comparison. Fukuyama said that western liberalism had won, and that essentially all of the arguments over what course the future would take were over. We would all merge together into a giant soup of global liberalism. 911 pretty well shot that theory to pieces.

This author is not saying that at all; quite the opposite. Unfortunately most of the people who have posted to this thread are nothing more than yahoos who can't do better than shouting "so's your mother!" at the author. Real problems confront the USA; all countries have declined eventually (often as a result of their attempts to become more powerful, whether successful or not). Shutting our eyes and plugging our fingers in our ears and shouting "nyah, nyah, I can't hear you" are not going to make the facts go away. This author may be full of sh!t, but you guys are not doing a very good job of demonstrating that.

19 posted on 07/04/2002 2:22:58 PM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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You're the only one in decline, dude!
20 posted on 07/04/2002 2:30:00 PM PDT by cubreporter
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