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MY VOTE IS FOR SALE
Vanity | July 4, 2002 | B. A. Conservative

Posted on 07/04/2002 6:16:32 AM PDT by B. A. Conservative

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To: usconservative
Great idea!

21 posted on 07/04/2002 7:50:48 AM PDT by carenot
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To: UnBlinkingEye
LOL
22 posted on 07/04/2002 7:52:11 AM PDT by carenot
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To: B. A. Conservative
Sunset/Reauthorization Clause is Useless!!

Just like continuing resolutions for spending are done now, congress would merely rubberstamp previous laws at the beginning of each session... Something like the "Congressional Omnibus Reauthorization Procedural Security Exercise...CORPSE"

I have thought about this as the most serious flaw in the Constitution...law creep.

What is needed is a graduated reauthorization procedure. This is where each law requires an increasing majority over time to reauthorize it. New ideas require a mere majority 51%. After for years, 2/3. After 8 years 3/4. 12 years 4/5.

If a law/program is good, it should have no trouble garnering unanimous consent over time. Meanwhile, Congress will be forced to spend most of its time lobbying and voting on maintaining current laws rather then passing and spending on new business.

Just a thought.

23 posted on 07/04/2002 7:52:49 AM PDT by sam_paine
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To: B. A. Conservative
1. Do you personally (or we as a nation) enjoy more or less freedom than ten years ago? Thirty years ago? Fifty years ago?
Less, Less, Less

2. Is your loss of freedom reversible?
No...but we have long way to go....

3. Is it worth the effort to you personally to attempt the recovery of the freedom you have lost?
Absolutely! all day, every day.

4. Is there any other mechanism besides the one I have proposed that offers a "real" chance to recover your (our) lost freedom?
I have yet to find one

5. Is the alternative equal to or better than the one I am proposing?

24 posted on 07/04/2002 7:53:01 AM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: B. A. Conservative
"It is fallacious reasoning to suggest that the problem lies with the people of the United States."

It it the people of the United States who put these people in Washington. Surely they are to blame.

25 posted on 07/04/2002 7:53:21 AM PDT by goliath
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To: usconservative
sending it to EVERY one of my Republican representatives from the village, county, state and federal level.


It requires reading and thinking skills to understand this..... we might be out of luck.
26 posted on 07/04/2002 7:55:14 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: B. A. Conservative
In panic, Homer smashes the control panel, and sends the saucer crashing towards Washington.

Meanwhile, outside the Capitol, the candidates are giving their last electoral speach.

Kang (looking like Bob Dole): The politics of failure have failed. We need to make them work again. Tomorrow, when you are sealed in the voting cubicle, vote for me, Senator Ka... Bob Dole.
[applause]

Kodos (looking like Bill Clinton): I am looking forward to an orderly election tomorrow, which will eliminate the need for a violent blood bath.
[applause]

From the sky comes a scream, as Homer is crashing right into the Capitol. A few footsteps later, he comes running down the stairs.

Homer: America, take a good look at your beloved candidates. They're nothing but hideous space reptiles.
[unmasks them]
[audience gasps in terror]

Kodos: It's true, we are aliens. But what are you going to do about it? It's a two-party system; you have to vote for one of us.
[murmurs]

Man1: He's right, this is a two-party system.

Man2: Well, I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate!

Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.
[Kang and Kodos laugh out loud].

-- "Treehouse of Horror VII"

27 posted on 07/04/2002 7:57:28 AM PDT by Homer Simpson
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To: B. A. Conservative
I agree with you 100% and heck I have been doing this already. There has been no one worth voting for in the past so I withold my vote from anyone.The only two people i have voted for are our Beloved W and Perot. (yes, Perot - protest vote as the best of 3) If it were not for Perot, the balanaced budget would never have been discussed, and eventually obtained.

Other Perot voters out there - Don't let anyone tell you you threw away your vote- the 20% of the popular vote scared people in Washington more than you can possibly imagine. He also talked about whittling the govt down to size, and most of the above agenda...

28 posted on 07/04/2002 8:00:09 AM PDT by Mr. K
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To: B. A. Conservative
Thanks for the ping, you are most talented. Taking gut feelings that we all have and condensing them int several paragraphs and a plan is impressive indeed. I admire your work.

I'm hoping that one of our friends can supply s with a link to all the addresses of all the ass-bites in DC so we can send this.

29 posted on 07/04/2002 8:02:21 AM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: sam_paine
If a law/program is good, it should have no trouble garnering unanimous consent over time. Meanwhile, Congress will be forced to spend most of its time lobbying and voting on maintaining current laws rather then passing and spending on new business.

Another good idea.

30 posted on 07/04/2002 8:06:44 AM PDT by carenot
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To: Jonx6; TXFireman
ping
31 posted on 07/04/2002 8:08:37 AM PDT by Homer Simpson
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To: B. A. Conservative
All sounded well and good until you got to the part about a Constitutional convention. I don't think I'd want to convene that band of thieves, (that comprise the two parties), to preside over anything as important as amending the Constitution! Do you?
32 posted on 07/04/2002 8:10:22 AM PDT by old school
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To: B. A. Conservative
Put this up on eBay. :-)
33 posted on 07/04/2002 8:10:51 AM PDT by Registered
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To: evad
"Incrementalism is the only strategy that seems to work in the long run.

Fabian Conservatism? It's possible. Do we have the time before fabian socialism has progresed to the point of no return? Do we, that is Conservatives, have the patience?

It would be very difficult in face of the fact that the majority of female voters are willing to trade all other civil liberties for abortion. The socialists advance their rise to power by appealing to our societies weaknesses. Historically, socialist are only defeated after they have acheived victory. I hate to admit it, on this 4th. of July, but I have grave concern for the country.

34 posted on 07/04/2002 8:13:28 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: B. A. Conservative
Well thought out. Term limits on the House and repealing the 17th amendment would go a long way to solving many problems (CFR among them).

I am concerned, however, about a tax system that exempts so many voters from the pain. That was the method used to start the federal income tax (it only applied to the "rich"). A "Fair Tax" comes close, but with current FET's and State/local taxes thrown in, it would be very tempting (and lucrative) to barter or just plain cheat. This is already happening with cigarettes.

35 posted on 07/04/2002 8:14:08 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: B. A. Conservative
Gonna have to get control of the purse-strings. Right now, they have it. Drop paycheck withholding, put everyone on quarterly payments (like me) then sit back and enjoy the next 'peaceful' revolution at the voting booth.
36 posted on 07/04/2002 8:17:10 AM PDT by budwiesest
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To: evad
"Incrementalism is the only strategy that seems to work in the long run."

Incrementalism back to less government power never has and never will work. Government will never "incrementaly" cut their own budgets, power. The only thing that will ever convince government to shoot its own foot, to tear up its own credit cards, is a major grass roots movement by "the people" (such as BA suggests, personally I am in favor of a grass roots tax revolt) or a catastrophic event (economic meltdown or societal breakdown).

"Incrementalism" only works to move towards more government, never less, to the left, not to the right.

37 posted on 07/04/2002 8:30:04 AM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: Homer Simpson
Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away. [Kang and Kodos laugh out loud].

LOL!

Yep, that is what we were all told.

I keep thinking of Rush saying if we didn't vote for Bush we would get Gore.

I decided to throw my vote away on Harry Browne.

So now we get President Bush.

I reckon I will just keep throwing my vote away.

If I refuse to vote THEY won't know I didn't vote. I want them to know "they" didn't get my vote.

38 posted on 07/04/2002 8:33:57 AM PDT by carenot
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To: evad
"But with the minimums you have set you're not going to be doing a whole lot of voting."

Exactly! You have captured the idea, but seem to have missed its implications. This is not a complex scheme.

Republicans and Democrats both know that conservatives are not ever going to vote for a Democrat. Yes, there is an occasional misguided or deluded soul who believes in fairy tales, ie there are conservative Democrats; and there may be a rare misguided and meaningless protest vote cast by a conservative for a Democrat. But bottom line, Democrats are never going to get votes from conservatives and everybody knows it.

What are the obvious implications of this? First, Democrats are never going to make any meaningful efforts to solicit conservative votes; it is a waste of their time and money. And two, Republicans consider conservative votes their birthrights. That means Republicans are free to cater to the natural base of the Democratic Party in order to get more votes. As long as they gain a greater number of Democratic Party voters than they lose conservative votes in disgust or protest, Republicans believe they will be more likely to win re-election. That is why Republicans who have been in office for any significant period of time move to the left.

Republicans know that to get elected, they have to cater to the conservative base. But once elected they move left, because they believe that is what they must do to remain in office. Conservatives are not lock step or block voters. When a politician fails to support a conservative's favorite issue, the politician may not get a vote from the conservative in the next election. A much higher percentage of Democratic voters use straight party tickets than Republican voters.

The constant attrition of Republicans in Congress since the 1994 Republican Revolution is the direct result of Congressional Republicans moving left instead of continuing to advance the conservative revolution. It is not an accident that governments always can be expected to do the wrong thing. It is because politicians as opposed to statesman don't care a thing about doing the right thing. The only concern of politicians after they are elected is remaining in office. Since politicians don't really have time to hobnob with individual members of their constituency, they tend to listen to the media and the media's reporting of the polls.

Here is the key: politicians want to be re-elected. They don't care about doing what is right. Therefore the politicians focus on a perception of public opinion since the politicians don't have the time or the inclination to take the pulse of the people for themselves. This is how the media accumulated their enormous propaganda machine advantage and why Republicans have been the minority party since the thirties.

As a result, if conservatives want to recapture the attention of left leaning Republican candidates, you have to be willing to let the incumbents lose. The survivors and next year's crop of candidates will hear our message.

39 posted on 07/04/2002 8:34:08 AM PDT by B. A. Conservative
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To: budwiesest
. Drop paycheck withholding, put everyone on quarterly payments (like me) then sit back and enjoy the next 'peaceful' revolution at the voting booth.

I can't remember the the HR# but Ron has a bill before congress that will do just that.

40 posted on 07/04/2002 8:39:10 AM PDT by carenot
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