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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Well, I guess, "What would the founders do or say if they could see ... " isn't the right question to ask. It's too easy to get a laugh picturing John Hancock at a PC or Ben Franklin getting the electric bill. Better to ask, what was their system of government, what were the presumptions behind it, what does it mean for us today and what conclusions do knowing more about the founding lead us to make about questions today.

The thing the founders would agree on, both in the radical years of the Revolution and the more conservative period of the early republic, is the importance of independence. Today many are dependent on the government for our income or upkeep. Such people don't have an independent stake in society and try to extort their money from others using the government machinery. Most of us work for someone else or are dependent on the course of the stock market. Self-reliance produced independence of mind and limited government. Dependence produces the opposite.

30 posted on 07/03/2002 9:53:17 PM PDT by x
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To: x
Your handle.. LOL!
31 posted on 07/03/2002 9:53:56 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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James Madison understood that folks would hit the government tit and hit it hard, and tried to devise a scheme to check it, and to faciliate to some extent that the tit was shared reasonably fairly. I don't think checks and balances and pluralism equates co-extensively with individualistic self reliance. That is more a cultural artifact and an ideal.
32 posted on 07/03/2002 9:57:32 PM PDT by Torie
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