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To: Catholicguy
The Catholic Church IS the living authority of the New Testament she wrote every single word of.

I agree that the Universal (i.e., Catholic) Church was used by God to bring the Bible into the world...

But the private interpretation of many that the the Universal Church is centered in Rome, and is accoutable to the "authority" of the Pope, is a personal opinion found no-where in Scripture. Peter himself certainly did not believe any such thing, as Peter's most ancient biographers uniformly acknowledge.



Peter himself did not believe in "Petrine Supremacy"; rather, Peter reported to James (Acts 12:17) and Peter obeyed James (Acts 15: 13-22) and Peter deferred to James (Acts 21:18) and Peter feared James (Galatians 2:12). What kind of Petrine "Papacy" is this!!

In fact, not a single verse of Scripture suggests any kind of "Petrine Succession", and such a dogma was NOT the practice of the Early Church:

Your entire religious superstructure is founded upon an erroneous "private interpretation"... a Lie.

41 posted on 07/04/2002 1:29:14 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I prefer real history rather than fabulous tales. This site addresses actual facts about the Papacy.

http://ic.net/~erasmus/ERASMUS 4.HTM
53 posted on 07/04/2002 3:01:28 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I prefer real history rather than fabulous tales. This site addresses actual facts about the Papacy.

http://ic.net/~erasmus/ERASMUS 4.HTM
54 posted on 07/04/2002 3:02:54 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
You picked the wrong battlefield for this fight. I have William A Jurgens "The Faith of the Early Fathers" in my home library.
I will NOT engage in a point by point refutation of your falsehoods. I will merely cite your first error re Clement. In his "Who is the rich man that is saved?", a.d. 190/210, St. Clement of Alexandria says this about Peter..."On hearing these words, the blessed Peter, the chosen, the pre-eminnent, the first among he disciples, for whom alone with Himself the Savior paid the tribute, quickly grasped their meaning..."
Cribbing from second hand sources to attack Divinely-constituted authority might seem "Triumphalistic" to some but it is a truimphalism of a very odd sort.
I will not waste my time "debating" such rudimentary facts. Lets those with eyes to see read. The writings of the Catholic Church Fathers are availaable at www.newadvent.com
56 posted on 07/04/2002 3:23:33 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
In fact, not a single verse of Scripture suggests any kind of "Petrine Succession"

No, it's not a single verse. It's about 30 of them.

and such a dogma was NOT the practice of the Early Church

Take it up with Irenaeus of Lyons, who laid it out very neatly in Against Heresies. But, I must warn you, he probably has forgotten more about the early church than you know.

95 posted on 07/11/2002 12:57:45 PM PDT by Campion
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