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Child Support Overpaid by $15-20 Billion
Men's News Daily ^ | July 3, 2002 | Roger F. Gay

Posted on 07/03/2002 12:44:55 PM PDT by RogerFGay

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1 posted on 07/03/2002 12:44:55 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
While children are in the care of a parent receiving child support, the other parent is sending money to help cover costs. When the parent paying child support is taking care of the children the situation is reversed. That parent assumes direct responsibility for costs, relieving the parent that normally receives the child support payment.

The parent with whom the child lives requires a bigger and costlier home to house the child, provides the meals, clothing, utilities on a full time basis. It would be ludicrous to cut back on child support because a child spends a weekend with the non-custodial parent.

2 posted on 07/03/2002 12:51:47 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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The parent with whom the child lives requires a bigger and costlier home to house the child, provides the meals, clothing, utilities on a full time basis.

In the case cited, dumbass, the child lived with both parents. 51% with one and 49% with the other.

3 posted on 07/03/2002 1:01:31 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: w1andsodidwe
The parent with whom the child lives requires a bigger and costlier home to house the child, provides the meals, clothing, utilities on a full time basis

Why? Thats not necessarily true at all. Are you a divorcee that has this as an agenda?

5 posted on 07/03/2002 1:11:31 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RogerFGay
Not at our house...

Our child's father paid $100 dollars a month. I picked up the insurance, paid most of all medical costs, and never got to see her except during the school week. He spent every holiday, every spring break, most of every summer and nearly every weekend with her; I even had to transport her back and forth to the place of his choosing. I did this because he kept threating to go to court to get custody, and at the time I couldn't afford a lawyer. I was still scared of him, and as long as he was good to our child, I didn't want to make him mad, because when he got mad things got dangerous.

I met a new love, got married, and we settled into a happy family mode - except that my daughter had no vacations, no extra time with us. It all started to unravel when she asked to be allowed to attend a karate tournament in which she was entered to compete; "Daddy" refused, telling her that was "his" time and she needed to come down to "his" house - and I was supposed to bring her, or we'd all go to court. She dropped out of the tournament because she was afraid I'd go to jail, since "Daddy" said he put me there for contempt of court unless she complied. She never did go to a tournament.

It finally ended two years later when she asked her father to get professional help for his problems. He withdrew her savings account she opened with him (nearly a thousand dollars) and sent it to her through Child Support to "close out" his "payments" when she was thirteen years old.

All told, he spent less on a life time with his only daughter than he did on his truck. Meanwhile, her incredible stepfather (who has been raising her since she was nine) has taken it on himself to put her through college, even though he makes less than her biological father does.

I am saddened that the man who gave my daughter life never saw her as anything more than a possession. But I thank God every day that a good man stepped up to the plate and showed her how a real father treats his children; not as possessions, not as a liabilities, but as precious investments for the future. In more ways than one, both these men got what they paid for - one man got a reciept from the county saying "paid in full", the other man got a daughter...

6 posted on 07/03/2002 1:27:36 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: w1andsodidwe
The parent with whom the child lives requires a bigger and costlier home to house the child, provides the meals, clothing, utilities on a full time basis. It would be ludicrous to cut back on child support because a child spends a weekend with the non-custodial parent.

So your assertion is that the parent who has less time with the child doesn't need the same size home as the parent who was given custody? Should we expect the kids to sleep on the sofa while staying with the other parent? I would think not. That parent has to have a home big enough for the children to have their own bedroom, just like with the first parent. There are added costs to having the children live primarily with one parent, costs in utilities, food, clothing, etc. But the added costs of those do not justify the high awards that the courts make. If one parent has the kids on weekends and half of the summer, that would be somewhere around 20% to 30% of the time in which the children are with that parent. Why should 100% of the support money go to a parent that only has the kids 70% of the time? The rest is little more than hidden alimony.

7 posted on 07/03/2002 1:32:48 PM PDT by Orangedog
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I think it is a great idea. Child support should be on a cost per day rate. If you have them for 100 days and the other spouse has them for 265. The one paying child support payments should be cut per the days they have them. I just talked to a gal paying shes all up set that her drunk ex still get support when the kids are living with her for 6 months. I told know her you know how many men feel.

By the way I am not devoriced nor maying support out side of my marrage.

8 posted on 07/03/2002 1:34:22 PM PDT by riverrunner
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The parent with whom the child lives requires a bigger and costlier home to house the child, provides the meals, clothing, utilities on a full time basis. It would be ludicrous to cut back on child support because a child spends a weekend with the non-custodial parent.

Sorry. What I meant to say was that the requirement for a bigger and costlier home is nonsense, that the extra utility costs associated with a child are small, and that meal and clothing costs are subsumed in the child support payments. Furthermore, a change in support payments for a weekend visit was never proposed in the article and is a foolish strawman argument.

9 posted on 07/03/2002 1:40:12 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Why? Thats not necessarily true at all. Are you a divorcee that has this as an agenda?

I have no children and am not married. However, I have watched friends and relatives go through this scenario.

I have watched my own brother refused to spend a dime on his children because he paid child support. If he were still married to their mom, I believe that he would not refuse to buy them something just because he had paid the mortgage for the house they live in. People need to quit using children as pawns and start behaving as if they love them.

10 posted on 07/03/2002 1:43:23 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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To: balrog666
Sorry. What I meant to say was that the requirement for a bigger and costlier home is nonsense, that the extra utility costs associated with a child are small,

You must live in a fastasy world. Children do take up space that would not be required if they weren't there. They have possessions and need a room to sleep in. And yes, the house is most likely occupied for more hours requiring more use of utilities.

11 posted on 07/03/2002 1:46:14 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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To: RogerFGay
In Michigan, if there is shared custody (defined as the non-custodial parent having >128 days per year with the child), there is a prorated formula.

If the case cited above (roughly equal incomes, nearly identical parenting time) were a Michigan case the child support would be on the order of maybe $5 a week in one direction or the other.




12 posted on 07/03/2002 1:48:37 PM PDT by No.6
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To: w1andsodidwe
People need to quit using children as pawns and start behaving as if they love them.




People mature enough to behave as if they love their children usually don't get married, have children, and then get divorced.

I'm divorced, no kids with first wife, remarried and now have 2 kids. I hope I never get divorced again, but if I do, I hope my third wife is as much of an improvement over my second wife as my second was over my first.

I've got a friend who got married, had two kids, got divorced many years ago and pays all of the child support. His older child, age 16, moved in with him a year ago because the high school where dad lives is much better than the high school where mom lives. To mom's credit, she didn't fight to stop her son from getting a better education. Of course, she would not allow dad to stop paying child support, even though, technically, he's got one kid full-time and she's got one kid full-time.
13 posted on 07/03/2002 1:51:38 PM PDT by ReadMyMind
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To: Orangedog
There are added costs to having the children live primarily with one parent, costs in utilities, food, clothing, etc. But the added costs of those do not justify the high awards that the courts make

Obviously you have never purchased clothing for a child or watched a teen age boy eat everything in sight.

14 posted on 07/03/2002 1:53:49 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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To: RogerFGay
On average, child support awards are two to two and a half times what they should be. This means that in total non-custodial parents in the United States could be overpaying by somewhere between $15-20 billion annually because their court orders tell them to.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, will not be fixed an our lifetimes. The government agencies that collect that money tack on an extra 2 or 3% onto every payment that is made. That comes to about $450 million that goes back into the system. And that's not counting the $4 billion in direct funding that the feds send the states each and every year to feed the divorce and support machinery. The federal funding that they receive is based on the amount of support that they collect. Any state that did what was fair and right regarding this hidden alimony would be cutting off their own cash supply. Follow the money and you'll see exactly why things are as they are and what forces benefit from things staying this way.

15 posted on 07/03/2002 1:55:11 PM PDT by Orangedog
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Don't get me started on this. You have freep mail.
16 posted on 07/03/2002 1:56:32 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: w1andsodidwe
Obviously you have never purchased clothing for a child or watched a teen age boy eat everything in sight.

And you obviously have no idea how to manage money. I did buy those things while my kid lived with me and the deadbeat mom didn't pay a cent. I didn't drag her in front of a judge and demand cash from her on a regular basis. She chose not to contribute. Being a deadbeat is her shame and I was willing to let it drop instead of using my child as a pawn to extract money from the mother, using the threat of criminal sanction if she didn't cough up the cash weekly. Unless there is a clear case of abuse, the children should go with the parent who can best afford to care for them, if that parent chooses to take custody. One's who do not do so should contribute to the child's up-keep, but the hidden alimony has to go.

17 posted on 07/03/2002 2:06:50 PM PDT by Orangedog
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To: Orangedog
but the hidden alimony has to go

Amen, brother!

18 posted on 07/03/2002 2:37:33 PM PDT by buccaneer81
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To: No.6
Initial Review of Michigan Child Support Law
19 posted on 07/03/2002 2:52:19 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: w1andsodidwe
You're scaring me! In 10 years I will have three teenaged boys living in my house eating everything in sight! I do enjoy asking parents of teenaged boys what they eat in a typical day. It starts with something like 8 pieces of toast and a BOX of cereal. Too funny! And I'll have THREE of them! ACCKK!
20 posted on 07/03/2002 3:06:25 PM PDT by olivia3boys
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