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U.S. neighborhoods grow more crowded
USA Today ^ | 07/02/02 | Haya El Nasser

Posted on 07/02/2002 9:14:32 PM PDT by FreedomFriend

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:39:42 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: skeeter
Hmm, I didn't realize that it has gotten that out of hand.
81 posted on 07/03/2002 12:21:41 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
What do I think about a lawsuit? I don't know about that. I do know that when my better half and I were starting out we qualified for a low rent apartment. I looked at a few of them and said "No Way!" They were rat traps. We bit the bullet a little harder and came up with enough money to afford a nice apartment. When we bought our first house you can bet your bottom dollar we worked like dogs to buy a nice house in a nice area. Now, why has the federal government gotten rid of the prime incentive to work for something better? It worked for me. Now, after many years of hard work to get what I have, people are moving into my neighborhood who aren't lifting a finger to have a similar lifestyle. And they don't leave their crime and their bad landscaping habits from whence they have come.

A lady I know masterminded a zoning code enforcement effort that forced a bunch of out-of-state apartment owners to fix their places or tear them down. Crime has went down since she got the city's attention about it. That may be one way to counteract some of it.

We have a neighbor from some country that likes to live in brightly-colored houses. They painted their two-story BRICK house a limey-blue green and trimmed it in a bright royal blue. We were pulling our hair out. Last week, I noticed some painters were giving it a fresh coat of dull old beige with white trim. I actually got out of my car and thanked the painters. I guess the Neighborhood Beautification Patrol must have finally got to them.

You know, back at the turn of the last century, when my Polish great-grandparents moved to Michigan, they were handed a book on how to settle the land, build a house and they were also about the local American living standards. Not only were they encouraged to learn English but they were also given a heads up on how to fit in with their new neighbors. They were taught to be good citizens.

82 posted on 07/03/2002 12:30:38 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: FreedomFriend
Have a Happy 4th of July.


83 posted on 07/03/2002 12:38:01 PM PDT by Brownie74
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To: FreedomFriend
RE: Real Estate Bubble. The only thing driving the real estate bubble right now is immigration. All these people *have* to live somewhere. Supply...Demand.
84 posted on 07/03/2002 12:42:50 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Hmm, do you think that real estate companies and developers influence our politicians to not halt immigration. What effect do you think developers and real estate agents have in campaign contributions?
85 posted on 07/03/2002 12:47:39 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Slyfox
There's a Mexican family in our neighborhood who painted their house some very odd colors. Granted we don't have a neighborhood association (I'm glad that we don't), I wish they would change the colors.
86 posted on 07/03/2002 12:49:38 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
I don't know exactly. It's an interesting idea tho. I'm sure there are banks that have a good deal riding on the real estate bubble via mortgages also. If this bubble collapses there will be MANY left holding the bag!
87 posted on 07/03/2002 12:49:48 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Also consider the fact that it is mostly Americans who are employed within the banking, real estate, etc. industries, and zero illegals. Thus, with illegals occupying many of the traditional, decent paying labor intensive industries, where do you think all these Americans are going to work if immigration is halted?

As it stands, there is no easy answer. However, immigration has to be halted for a while, and illegals need to be deported. After those two things are done, we can work to solve the many other ills that unrestrained immigration and illegal immigration has brought to America.

88 posted on 07/03/2002 12:58:16 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
Correct. We should bite the bullet and cut of immigration ASAP for at LEAST 50 years, maybe longer. Assimilate the ones that are here for 2-3 generations and return to some identity as a nation.
89 posted on 07/03/2002 1:00:14 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: FreedomFriend
do you think that a suit can be brought against the government for disrupting peoples' retirement plans, not to mention assisting in the destruction of community life, aesthetics, etc. of any particular town. After all, if it is found to have negatively effected property values, shouldn't the government at least be responsible, being that it was not the natural free market cycle which effected that change.

I'm finding so much of this info on this thread to be fascinating and this is of yours is of particular interest to me, as I am considering doing something along these lines.

When I moved into my home 10 years ago, it was a pretty run-down neighborhood mix of 60 owner occupied, rentals and Section 8 townhouse units. Well after a summer of real trouble a bunch of us got together and did the neighborhood watch thing and things started leveling out and calming down. The city was cracking down on code violations, etc.

Different people moved out and in and the cohesion kind of eroded.

It is amazing how tied are the hands of the City Inspection Department and the police department. I'm on a first name basis with half the people in both departments at this point.

I'm not looking at retirement, but I am looking at suing some of the slumlord landlords and naming the city as co-defenents. I have an end unit with 3 vacant units attached to me and so can't sell my place. And the city can't do a bloody thing about it.

I'm losing money every day that I can't sell and they just increased the txable appraisd value on it by 32%. The same city that can't deal with the problems.

sorry for my rant

90 posted on 07/03/2002 1:13:34 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Black Agnes
The only thing about deporting illegals is that they're going to yell, "You're violating my rights". What is with this attitude among illegals and attorneys that represent them?

They don't for one stop and think that they have placed an unfair burden on Americans with their selfishness, not to mention unlawful activity. They don't think about how Americans have been forced out of their neighborhoods as a result of the flood of illegals who refuse to assimilate and adapt to American culture. They still want to be Mexicans, etc. I wish they would get over this "motherland" stuff, for if they wanted to come here, they should be American first and America only. I don't know how many times I've driven by a car and seen a Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Brazilian, etc. flag hanging from the rear view mirror. Yet, there is often not one trace of an American flag on the car. What gives?

91 posted on 07/03/2002 1:13:52 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Gabz
Hey, I hear you. I agree with you, and I wish you the best of luck.

Furthermore, thank you for your kind words.

92 posted on 07/03/2002 1:17:20 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
You are welcome..... This is a great post...So revealing!!!
93 posted on 07/03/2002 1:22:03 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: FreedomFriend
remember: you can't fight city hall.
94 posted on 07/03/2002 1:25:31 PM PDT by bandlength
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To: Lizavetta
amen. aaahhh, rental property. i used to own inner city rental property. it got so hard trying to find a non-felonious, non-cause-more-than $2500-of damage-after-6 mos., stay more than 10 months/not break the lease tenant, that i just walked away.

killed my credit, but it was worth it (i don't miss the 9:30 p.m. calls letting me know their pilot light went out or another excuse as to why one cannot pay their $80 share of the rent).

95 posted on 07/03/2002 1:28:51 PM PDT by bandlength
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To: Gabz
you can do what i did. simply walk away. i didn't want to do it, but, as you can see, the so-called "slumlords" are just trying to find someone who hasn't been to prison and won't trash the place. how can you POSSIBLY keep up with repairs when a tenant's abusive boyfriend creeps in before the ink is dry on the rental agreement? the police and the courts here will tell you that they don't care to enforce violations on the number of occupants in a rental. they're too busy dealing with murders and the like. i've had some of my unluckier fellow ex-landlords recount situations where tenants slash water beds (that they weren't supposed to have; just TRY getting an eviction for an illegal waterbed; you'll be laughed out of court!) so that they could move; read: the ceiling is collapsed with water damage so i can't stay here; i guess i'll call city code enforcement so i can break the one year lease.

i say to all (and especially those who have vacant units ) who complain about so-called "slumlords," just ATTEMPT to find a decent, law-abiding, pay the rent on time tenant for your house/unit. it's a needle in a haystack in most urban areas.

96 posted on 07/03/2002 1:37:57 PM PDT by bandlength
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To: bandlength
In college, I, along with four roommates, leased a house. My roommates were the sloppiest bunch of guys, refusing to park on or around the driveway, instead opting for the middle of the yard. This type of action wore down half of the grass in the yard.

I was the only individual who ever cut the grass, and when I went home for the summer, one of my roommates subleased the apartment for summer quarter. What happened is that the subleese's dog had urinated all over the carpets. Unfortunately, we didn't get our deposit back.

College students can be just as bad.

97 posted on 07/03/2002 1:47:35 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Slyfox
And they don't leave their crime and their bad landscaping habits from whence they have come.

Believe me, I know exactly what you mean.

Monday I spent more than 45 minutes on the phone with the number 2 in command at the Inspections Department, after an earlier 30 minutes with an Inspector in my dining room.

Yesteday it was the Sergeant in charge of parking regulations.

Today it was the Detective in charge of the Drug Unit.

I admit, my front flower bed and herb garden desperately need to be weeded at the moment - however I at least have them. But considering the heat we have been dealing with, even the Inspector told me not to worry about it - the weeds aren't that bad - at the same time he was making notes on all the vacant units.

If it takes a squeaky whell to get the grease - I guess I'm going to turn into a 55 gallon barrel.

98 posted on 07/03/2002 1:48:35 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: bandlength
remember: you can't fight city hall.

You wannaa bet?????

That's exactly what I'm doing, but I'm using them to do it for me.

99 posted on 07/03/2002 1:52:49 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: bandlength
There is merit to what you're saying - but it is an absolute impossibilty for me.

I'm not a landlord - I'm an owner occupier. Have been for 10 years, today to be exact.

Not only are we trying to sell to move out of this neighborhood, we're moving out of state. We do not have the wherewithal, unless we hit the lottery this week, to buy a place in Virginia and leave this one to the Realtor in Delaware. Owe too much on it.

I understand exactly what you are saying about the repairs, I have several friends that were landlords in the past and some are currently. I've helped making a lot of those repairs.

The thing about the lure of section 8 is the landlord is guaranteed the monthly rent. And even though he has to make the repairs to damage caused by the tenant - he still gets his money.

Because I'm in the City limits, there is a different set of regs for the Section 8 housing. In fact as an owner-occupant I'm under stricter guidelines of how I have to maintain my property than are the landlords utilizing Section 8.

Wonderful state of affairs, isn't it?

100 posted on 07/03/2002 2:04:59 PM PDT by Gabz
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