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To: joesnuffy
Lord, Thank You for a President who is willing to acknowldege you in both word and deed and who isn't afraid to confess you as Lord and Savior to his country.

It might be comforting to you to have a president who shares your religious beliefs, and declares his faith in public. But, suppose the president was a worshipper of Mother Earth. Would you still praise the president for discussing his faith in public or would you prefer he keep his beliefs to himself since they have no bearing on the obligations of his office?

19 posted on 07/02/2002 3:03:27 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Alan Chapman
I can't get real excited over a politican with a Bible, even klinton pulled one out when it was to his advantage. I doubt that anyone with true Christian values would go very far in politics
24 posted on 07/02/2002 3:08:49 PM PDT by steve50
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To: Alan Chapman
ummm... I would prefer he not be elected, work for his defeat, and pray to God for mercy on a nation that had become so apostate.
28 posted on 07/02/2002 3:13:03 PM PDT by streetpreacher
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To: Alan Chapman
Our Christian heritage is what made this country great...why we're still having this argument is proof of the damage done by the ACLU and folks like Barry Lynn. There is no doubt about what our founders believed, what the Pilgrims believed, what the early builders of schools, hospitals, courtrooms believed...we have libraries worth of original documents, speeches, evidence in monuments in DC, and war journals. This is a country founded on Christianity...and everyone else was fortunate to partake of the bounty these Christians gave them.

The phrase "Founding Fathers" is a proper noun. It refers to a specific group of men, the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention. There were other important players not in attendance, like Jefferson, whose thinking deeply influenced the shaping of our nation. These 55 Founding Fathers, though, made up the core.

The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin--this at a time when church membership entailed a sworn public confession of biblical faith.

This is a revealing tally. It shows that the members of the Constitutional Convention, the most influential group of men shaping the political foundations of our nation, were almost all Christians, 51 of 55--a full 93%. Indeed, 70% were Calvinists (the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the Dutch Reformed), considered by some to be the most extreme and dogmatic form of Christianity.

Benjamin Franklin

Even Franklin the deist is equivocal. He was raised in a Puritan family and later adopted then abandoned deism. Though not an orthodox Christian, it was 81-year-old Franklin's emotional call to humble prayer on June 28, 1787, that was the turning point for a hopelessly stalled Convention. James Madison recorded the event in his collection of notes and debates from the Federal Convention. Franklin's appeal contained no less than four direct references to Scripture.

And have we forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need His assistance? I have lived, sir, a long time and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings that 'except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.' I firmly believe this and I also believe that without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel.
Faith of our Fathers

***Thomas Jefferson: Deist or Christian?
***Religion and the Constitution, Thomas Sowell.
***One Nation Under Siege.


30 posted on 07/02/2002 3:14:27 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Alan Chapman
Would you still praise the president for discussing his faith in public or would you prefer he keep his beliefs to himself since they have no bearing on the obligations of his office?

Sure they do.

50 posted on 07/02/2002 4:24:59 PM PDT by LarryLied
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