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To: Alan Chapman
It would seem that you've completely missed the point.

No, I haven't missed any points, maybe misspelled a couple of words here or there, but I understand your view.

4) Although no child must speak the words the child is exposed to whatever is being said in the classroom or at the school assembly.

So? that doesn't mean the child has to listen or agree.

5) An impetus is placed on children to participate out of fear of being teased or ridiculed by other students. Even the teacher may give the child dirty looks or make comments.

OH for goodness sakes, my child's not some wimpish pussy!
"dirty looks" LOL!!

I've raised my child to have enough brains and self esteem to know better, and not act like some mushy, bleeding heart, tearjerking, pansy. My child would stand up and recite the full text of the Constitution and inform the "evil eyes" of her rights as a citizen of the U.S. The teachers and principal would be heading for cover faster than a longtailed cat in a room full of rockin' chairs.....

"Teased and ridiculed," although your points are well taken they do not rise to the level of being "FORCED" to do anything.

133 posted on 07/06/2002 3:56:24 PM PDT by sirchtruth
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To: sirchtruth
[It is somewhat ridiculous for an AMERICAN to complain about being Exposed to the pledge.] sirchtruth

[It would seem that you've completely missed the point.] AC

No, I haven't missed any points...I understand your view.

Your comment above is your opinion and you're entitled to it. But, what you believe to be ridiculous isn't relevant. Others may think your religious beliefs are ridiculous. Would you like it if they used the force of government to make your child sit in a class which debunked Christianity and the existence of God? You wouldn't have to worry though. Your child would not be required to listen or agree.

The point is that it isn't your place to determine what others should or shouldn't be exposed to or for which worthy causes their money should be spent. It is wrong to force others to finance the advancement of your ideas and equally wrong for others to force you to finance the advancement of theirs.

[Although no child must speak the words the child is exposed to whatever is being said in the classroom or at the school assembly.] AC

So? that doesn't mean the child has to listen or agree.

Wether or not the child has to listen or agree is irrelevant. It doesn't make any difference what is taking place wether it's the Pledge, a prayer, recitation of the alphabet, or jumping-jacks. The child may be there against the wishes of the parents and the school may be advancing ideas inconsistent with their values. I'm certain many parents do not approve of what their children are exposed to in government school and would prefer to have them elsewhere. The kind of education children receive should be up to the parents alone.

[An impetus is placed on children to participate out of fear of being teased or ridiculed by other students. Even the teacher may give the child dirty looks or make comments.] AC

OH for goodness sakes, my child's not some wimpish pussy! "dirty looks" LOL!!

You should be free to put your children in government school if you wish. But, you should be prepared to pay for it yourself. Government school runs around $10,000 annually per student. In some places it's substantially more. But, other parents may want their children in a different kind of environment, such as a private or home school, where their children will get exactly the kind of education they want at considerably less cost. They may want their children to learn different things than you want yours to learn.

I've raised my child to have enough brains and self esteem to know better, and not act like some mushy, bleeding heart, tearjerking, pansy. My child would stand up and recite the full text of the Constitution and inform the "evil eyes" of her rights as a citizen of the U.S. The teachers and principal would be heading for cover faster than a longtailed cat in a room full of rockin' chairs.....

That's wonderful but it isn't particularly relevant.

134 posted on 07/06/2002 5:41:35 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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