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High anxieties : What the WHO doesn't want you to know about cannabis
New Scientist ^

Posted on 07/02/2002 8:56:30 AM PDT by WindMinstrel

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To: Dakmar
Please limit specious claims to those which aren't patently untrue.

I'd also throw in those that don't take 2 minutes with a search engine to de-bunk. At any rate, two words: Water Pipe (notice, I said "water pipe", not bong, so don't kick me out of the store ;^) )

41 posted on 07/02/2002 10:57:45 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: WindMinstrel
marijuana, if used heavily and regularly, is very harmful to a person. However, so are lots of other legal substances under the same circumstances. If you bloat yourself up with very fat or high sugar food every day, then you can do more damage to yourself healthwise than by smoking a joint every day.

I think marijuana should be legal, but we should go after cocaine and crystal strongly.

It is interesting that the US government didn't want the WHO to educate people about the health problems related to marijuana because they thought this information could be used to undermine their efforts to keep it illegal. So, the end result is that some heavy pothead who ignores the law and smokes pot would benefit from the WHO report and yet he was denied it all so that the government can continue trying to keep it illegal.

We outlaw drugs to protect the citizens allegedly from the drugs and then when the citizens are caught with drugs we impose penalties on them that are worse than the drugs.

Remember these facts: In 1993 the US government cut spending on the DEA by 50%, they laid off half of the 500 undercover agents they had trying to stop drugs from coming into the US. Then, when DEA to spend half its resources trying to stop drug smuggling within the US rather than to spend all of its resources trying to stop drugs from coming into the US. We all know that agency will use its resources much more effectively doing the traditional undercover thing to stop drugs before they get here. Their effectiveness has been purposely sabotaged.

The CIA itself admitted that it had been involved in bringing drugs into the US going back to even before 1980. If you think that only wild conspiracy theorists say these things, then you'll have to explain the CIA's own statements (2 of them) when they admitted to this. This fits in nicely with the fact that ex-LAPD people insist that they remember in the mid-80's when CIA people came to LA and taught street criminals how to make crack. It also fits in nicely with the fact that several ex-CIA people have even testified under oath that it was their job to bring cocaine into the US.

42 posted on 07/02/2002 11:07:19 AM PDT by Red Jones
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To: vin-one
Be sure to include some names of real live people, and real documents from credible sources that can be referenced. I'm not interested in anybody's drug-induced delusions, or drug-addled rants!
43 posted on 07/02/2002 11:12:04 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: toupsie
If you folks want marijuana to be legal, you are going to have to wait until the current generation of old folks become ex-social security recipients.

Callous, but accurate. All of this whooping and hollaring about the ineffectiveness of the WOD, as far as marijuana is concerned, is really a waste of time. As soon as the number of people who have actually used it rises, the social attitude about it will change, and either all drugs (meaning cigs and alcohol) will become illegal, or marijuana will be added to the fold of "ok" drugs to use.

44 posted on 07/02/2002 11:13:58 AM PDT by FourtySeven
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To: Atomic Vomit
I agree. I have employed people for ten years. Never once has one of them called in because he smoked to much pot the night before. I would like a dollar for every time one came in hung over, or called in sick because they drank to much.
45 posted on 07/02/2002 11:16:37 AM PDT by LandofLincoln
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To: WindMinstrel
oh no, facts. what shall the wod ers do now?

emotional, disjointed, context switching, ad hominem, ridiculous, circular, infantile, mystical arguments.

the reason they dont want cannabis legal is the alcohol lobby. and on another level, alteration of consciousness in a transitory expansive manner is a threat to the state.

maintainence of control of an entity by the state can exist only by the manipulation and control of consciousness.

remember?: ideas change the world. see: history.

46 posted on 07/02/2002 11:20:03 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: WyldKard; steve-b; bassmaner; Catalyst; jayef; zarf; eno_; Phantom Lord; Hemingway's Ghost
ping
47 posted on 07/02/2002 11:33:09 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Atomic Vomit
The wrong drug is legal.

No. MJ should also be legal.

48 posted on 07/02/2002 11:35:00 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: bat-boy
On the Simpsons, medical pot was made 'legal'. Ned Flanders led a campaign to make it illegal again. The potheads held a rally to 'keep it legal'.

Problem was, they held the rally the day after the vote to decide if it was legal or not. Humor, to be funny, must have an element of truth. And this humor did.

49 posted on 07/02/2002 11:37:17 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Destructor
I don't know what propoganda materials you are reading, but Pot has ZERO nicotine in it. NONE.
50 posted on 07/02/2002 11:39:24 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Wolfie
(notice, I said "water pipe", not bong, so don't kick me out of the store ;^) )

Those signs always make me laugh.

Also, recently my wife and I along with another couple were in Asheville NC to visit The Biltmore and the town. My wife and I love head shops. They have great nic-nacs for decorating and the such. Well, we went into what appeared from the outside to be a quality head shop. Got inside and they had NO 'supplies'. We werent shopping for any so it didnt matter. We walked out saying "That head shop has no head."

We later found another shop that had 'lots of head'.

I collect skulls and find head shops to be an excellent source.

51 posted on 07/02/2002 11:43:08 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Destructor
Ive forced to choose, i would take pot over manure tea.

Boy, Surfin was not happy with us.

52 posted on 07/02/2002 11:45:27 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
Ive = IF
53 posted on 07/02/2002 11:52:39 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: WindMinstrel
What was the topic again?
54 posted on 07/02/2002 12:18:47 PM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
beer. I'm ashamed to admit that I like Sam Adams Lightâ„¢. Does that make me un-American?
55 posted on 07/02/2002 12:21:13 PM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: WindMinstrel
That makes you a WUSS. You probably drink wine coolers too dont you.
56 posted on 07/02/2002 12:22:13 PM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
Howdy Phantom! You I'll listen to! Where did you read that pot has no nicotine?
57 posted on 07/02/2002 12:32:13 PM PDT by Destructor
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To: Phantom Lord
Now that's not very nice now, is it? i do not drink wine coolers, nor do I sip other assorted chick drinks. Now go fetch me a spritzer!
58 posted on 07/02/2002 12:34:53 PM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: MEGoody
"When I was a 'hippie', I had a boyfriend who was arrested while high on pot and in possession of same. He hung himself in his jail cell. I would agree he had some big emotional issues (and used pot to get away from them), but the pot contributed to his actual suicide in that it served to enhance the 'size' of those problems in his mind. And please spare me the 'pot doesn't do that kind of thing' argument. I used to smoke it, so I know better."

Thanks for trying, but these stoners will consistently ignore the truth no matter how many times it is presented to them.

59 posted on 07/02/2002 12:37:52 PM PDT by Destructor
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To: Destructor
Nicotiana is a plant species. Nicotine is a derivative substance from these plants. Cannabis Sativa is from a completely different plant species and are as different as apples and carrots.

To state that cannabis contains nicotine would predicate the existance of a successful tobacco/hemp hybrid. It'd be like trying to breed a pot bellied pig to an elephant.

60 posted on 07/02/2002 12:42:47 PM PDT by Dead Corpse
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