[strela]

So we're supposed to admire a culture that has 1000 people watching a gang rape that was sanctioned by their courts?

So we're supposed to admire a culture whose conquistadors murdered and raped hundreds of thousands of native peoples, whose only sin was that they happened to live on top of some gold?

[FITZ]

So it's okay to be bigoted against certain cultures ---like the one of the conquistadors but not this one because it's in Pakistan?

[FITZ]

that bigoted threads based solely on hatred of another culture

So you hate the culture of the conquistadors ---does that make you a bigot hating another culture too? (Remember---the conquistadors came out of a Spain that had just had 700 years of Islamic influence and the Inquisistion lasted a few years and Spain reverted into a more typically Christian country)

[okiedust]

The problem with your argument is that Christianity has progressed into the modern world, and has left the idea of conquest, crusade and inquisition behind. These are facts of history that reflect old cultural realities. Christianity has carried its improving message into modern times and has improved modern times. Islam however, is unchanging does not change the culture from which it arises, does not seek to change since it is revealed and perfect and has no concept of equality for all as does Christianity. It does not view itself as subject to improvement or learning from others cultures and does not seek rapproachment. Now it does proscribe cruelty and class distinctions and other defects of culture, I suppose, but it does not view all people as equal. Which of course leads to inequities of justice and the normal human impulse to dispense justice becomes in Islam an excuse for persecution, of women, of unbelievers.

regards

[MonroeDNA]

So we're supposed to admire a culture that has 1000 people watching a gang rape that was sanctioned by their courts? p> So we're supposed to admire a culture whose conquistadors murdered and raped hundreds of thousands of native peoples, whose only sin was that they happened to live on top of some gold?

No, condemn ANY culture that murdered or raped as a habit or custom, generations ago. That's all we can do; they are dead. There is nothing we can do to help those innocents; they are dead, too. The past cannot be changed.

But cultures that today rape teenage girls as punishment for their brother's supposed sins, well, that we can do something about. You and me both. We can change today's world, not yesterday's. So let's change it.

Lets put a stop to the raping of teenage girls. Let's put a stop to punishing a woman for her brother's supposed crime. Let's free women to show their faces, to dress freely, to learn, to go to school. Let's free today's women. That is the best we can do with our lives today.

The past is dead, and neither you nor I are responsible for it. But we are responsible for what we do today, to free those women.

Will you join us in freeing today's slaves? Will you join us in freeing women who are alive today, who will thank you personally? Will you condemn the raping of an 18 year old by 4 men, for what her brother did?

Would you let those people do that to your daughter? Or would you cry out in vengance and do what needs to be done?

[MonroeDNA]

Do you feel that the gang rape of this woman is justified? yes or no?

[rwfromkansas]

We are looking at what is going on NOW, not hundreds of years ago. Islam is dangerous and evil and must be stamped out.