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To: Chad
Hey, it's a matter of timing: being in the right generation, for instance. Hiring has been fast and furious for a few years, and they have been hiring warm bodies in many cases. If you graduated UPT in 84, you would have come into the market when, about 1990? Not the greatest time. My partner (also USN F-18 guy) was in the same time frame; had a class date with Delta and got furloughed before the class was over. From 97 - 2001, the numbers have been astronomical.

From virtually zero hiring in the late 1970's (except for the wonderful little bubble in 1978), to have what - 6000 /yr at the major's? That's incredible. And it doesn't mean that all of a sudden there are all these brilliant people out there - it just means it's cyclical.

As far as wash-out in the military, there's no doubt that they push you hard. But how many of them were "military bearing" wash-outs? Mil flight training has different goals from civilian flight training. And those goals don't necessarily have anything to do with flying for a carrier.

Case in point: we had a woman go through a pre-employment sim prep at a place that I was teaching in the late 1980's, early '90s. Her name was Bonnie Warner. She had all of 900 TT when she did the sim prep, and of course was promptly hired by United (leaping over 4000 hr Mil pilots in a single bound!). Course she did have that Luge (or bobsled, I don't remember which) Gold medal in her pocket...good P.R. for United. So, did she auger in? No. You know that. The adage is, "Hire for attitude, train for skill". Yeah, right. Translation: pilots at major carriers are hired for other things than just experience. And you know it.

As far as it "taking more time than even an MD", Oh Sure. Tell Bonnie Warner that. Or tell some jerk who bought his ticket at Comair, spent two years there in the right seat of an RJ and then got on at MajorCarrier Inc. It happens, and usually just because he was there in the season they were hiring.

64 posted on 07/01/2002 10:36:37 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator
Just because the airlines (and military) hire pilots for PR purposes, does not detract from the professionalism of the rest of the industry.

Women, minorities, and Comair PFT maggots are a constant source of frustration.

If a prestigious university admits some dolt with a combined SAT of 730 (black-female from South-Central LA) does that mean the average white male with a 1500 is a worthless hanger-on?

I agree. Pilots should be paid $15k/yr, and work up to the FAA max, with no restrictions on rest. Let's see from what strata of society our pilots originate.
68 posted on 07/01/2002 11:43:35 PM PDT by Orion
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