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Intelligent Design Is Creationism in a Cheap Tuxedo
Physics Today ^ | July 1, 2002 | Adrian L. Melott

Posted on 07/01/2002 7:25:44 AM PDT by aculeus

My deliberately provocative title is borrowed from Leonard Krishtalka, who directs the Natural History Museum at the University of Kansas. Hired-gun "design theorists" in cheap tuxedos have met with some success in getting close to their target: public science education. I hope to convince you that this threat is worth paying attention to. As I write, intelligent design (ID) is a hot issue in the states of Washington and Ohio (see Physics Today, May 2002, page 31*). Evolutionary biology is ID's primary target, but geology and physics are within its blast zone.

Creationism evolves. As in biological evolution, old forms persist alongside new. After the Scopes "Monkey Trial" of 1925, creationists tried to get public schools to teach biblical accounts of the origin and diversity of life. Various courts ruled the strategy unconstitutional. Next came the invention of "creation science," which was intended to bypass constitutional protections. It, too, was recognized by the courts as religion. Despite adverse court rulings, creationists persist in reapplying these old strategies locally. In many places, the pressure keeps public school biology teachers intimidated and evolution quietly minimized.

However, a new strategy, based on so-called ID theory, is now at the cutting edge of creationism. ID is different from its forebears. It does a better job of disguising its sectarian intent. It is well funded and nationally coordinated. To appeal to a wider range of people, biblical literalism, Earth's age, and other awkward issues are swept under the rug. Indeed, ID obfuscates sufficiently well that some educated people with little background in the relevant science have been taken in by it. Among ID's diverse adherents are engineers, doctors--and even physicists.

ID advocates can't accept the inability of science to deal with supernatural hypotheses, and they see this limitation as a sacrilegious denial of God's work and presence. Desperately in need of affirmation, they invent "theistic science" in which the design of the Creator is manifest. Perhaps because their religious faith is rather weak, they need to bolster their beliefs every way they can--including hijacking science to save souls and prove the existence of God.

William Dembski, a mathematician and philosopher at Baylor University and one of ID's chief advocates, asserts that: " . . . any view of the sciences that leaves Christ out of the picture must be seen as fundamentally deficient."1 Whether or not they agree with Dembski on this point, most Americans hold some form of religious belief. Using what they call the Wedge Strategy,2 ID advocates seek to pry Americans away from "naturalistic science" by forcing them to choose between science and religion. ID advocates know that science will lose. They portray science as we know it as innately antireligious, thereby blurring the distinction between science and how science may be interpreted.

When presenting their views before the public, ID advocates generally disguise their religious intent. In academic venues, they avoid any direct reference to the Designer. They portray ID as merely an exercise in detecting design, citing examples from archaeology, the SETI (search for extraterrestrial intelligence) project, and other enterprises. Cambridge University Press has published one ID book,3 which, the ID advocates repeatedly proclaim, constitutes evidence that their case has real scientific merit. ID creationist publications are nearly absent from refereed journals, and this state of affairs is presented as evidence of censorship.

This censorship, ID advocates argue, justifies the exploitation of public schools and the children in them to circumvent established scientific procedures. In tort law, expert scientific testimony must agree with the consensus of experts in a given field. No such limitation exists with respect to public education. ID advocates can snow the public and school boards with pseudoscientific presentations. As represented by ID advocates, biological evolution is a theory in crisis, fraught with numerous plausible-sounding failures, most of which are recycled from overt creationists. It is "only fair," the ID case continues, to present alternatives so that children can make up their own minds. Yesterday's alternative was "Flood geology." Today's is "design theory."

Fairness, open discussion, and democracy are core American values and often problematic. Unfortunately, journalists routinely present controversies where none exist, or they present political controversies as scientific controversies. Stories on conflicts gain readers, and advertising follows. This bias toward reporting conflicts, along with journalists' inability to evaluate scientific content and their unwillingness to do accuracy checks (with notable exceptions), are among the greatest challenges to the broad public understanding of science.

ID creationism is largely content-free rhetoric. Michael Behe, a biochemist at Lehigh University and an ID proponent, argues that many biochemical and biophysical mechanisms are "irreducibly complex."4 He means that, if partially dismembered, they would not work, so they could not have evolved. This line of argument ignores the large number of biological functions that look irreducibly complex, but for which intermediates have been found. One response to Behe's claims consists of the tedious task of demonstrating functions in a possible evolutionary path to the claimed irreducibly complex state. When presented with these paths, Behe typically ignores them and moves on. I admire the people who are willing to spend the time to put together the detailed refutations.5

The position of an ID creationist can be summarized as: "I can't understand how this complex outcome could have arisen, so it must be a miracle." In an inversion of the usual procedure in science, the null hypothesis is taken to be the thing Dembski, Behe, and their cohorts want to prove, albeit with considerable window-dressing. Dembski classifies all phenomena as resulting from necessity, chance, or design. In ruling out necessity, he means approximately that one could not predict the detailed structures and information we see in biological systems from the laws of physics. His reference to chance is essentially equivalent to the creationist use of one of the red herrings introduced by Fred Hoyle:

A junkyard contains all the bits and pieces of a Boeing 747, dismembered and in disarray. A whirlwind happens to blow through the yard. What is the chance that after its passage a fully assembled 747, ready to fly, will be found standing there?6 Having dispensed with necessity and chance, Dembski concludes that design has been detected on the grounds that nothing else can explain the phenomenon--at least according to him.

Of course, design has no predictive power. ID is not a scientific theory. If we had previously attributed the unexplainable to design, we would still be using Thor's hammer to explain thunder. Nor does ID have any technological applications. It can be fun to ask ID advocates about the practical applications of their work. Evolution has numerous practical technological applications, including vaccine development. ID has none.

As organisms evolve, they become more complex, but evolution doesn't contravene the second law of thermodynamics. Dembski, like his creationist predecessors, misuses thermodynamics. To support the case for ID, he has presented arguments based on a supposed Law of Conservation of Information, an axiomatic law that applies only to closed systems with very restricted assumptions.7 Organisms, of course, are not closed systems.

ID's reach extends beyond biology to physics and cosmology. One interesting discussion concerns the fundamental constants. There is a well-known point of view that our existence depends on a number of constants lying within a narrow range. As one might expect, the religious community has generally viewed this coincidence as evidence in favor of--or at least as a plausibility argument for--their beliefs. The ID creationist community has adopted the fundamental constants as additional evidence for their Designer of Life--apparently not realizing that many fine-tuning arguments are based on physical constants allowing evolution to proceed. Physical cosmology is largely absent from school science standards. Where present, as in Kansas, it is likely to come under ID attack.

I have only scratched the surface here. Don't assume everything is fine in your school system even if it seems free of conflict. Peace may mean that evolution, the core concept of biology, is minimized. No region of the country is immune. Watch out for the guys in tuxedos--they don't have violins in those cases.

Adrian Melott is a professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Kansas in Lawrence. He is also a founding board member of Kansas Citizens for Science.

Letters are encouraged and should be sent to Letters, Physics Today, American Center for Physics, One Physics Ellipse, College Park, MD 20740-3842 or by e-mail to ptletter@aip.org (using your surname as "Subject"). Please include your affiliation, mailing address, and daytime phone number. We reserve the right to edit.

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References 1. W. Dembski, Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between Science & Theology, InterVarsity Press, Downers Grove, Ill. (1999), p. 206. 2. See http://rnaworld.bio.ukans.edu/id-intro/sect3.html. Another source is http://www.sunflower.com/~jkrebs/JCCC/05%20Wedge_edited.html 3. W. Dembski, The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities, Cambridge U. Press, New York (1998). For a review by W. Elsberry, see http://inia.cls.org/~welsberr/zgists/wre/papers/dembski7.html. 4. M. Behe, Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution, Free Press, New York (1996). 5. See http://www.world-of-dawkins.com/catalano/box/behe.htm. See also http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/behe.html 6. F. Hoyle, The Intelligent Universe, Holt, Rinehart, and Winston, New York (1983), p. 18. 7. W. Dembski, No Free Lunch: Why Specified Complexity Cannot Be Purchased without Intelligence, Rowman & Littlefield, Lanham, Md. (2002).


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To: medved
The best illustration of how stupid evolutionism really is involves trying to become some totally new animal with new organs, a new basic plan for existence, and new requirements for integration between both old and new organs.

There are means by which some such changes could occur (e.g. populations getting split by moving land masses, etc.) It is IMHO better to acknowledge that evolution may be responsible for SOME of today's biodiversity (actually, a literal reading of Genesis essentially requires it, since there'd otherwise be no room on the ark to hold a breeding stock capapble of yielding all the different animals on this planet) than insist it's responsible for NONE. After all, the latter claim may be disproven via single counter-example; the former claim comes nowhere near proving that ALL biodiversity stems from evolution, and may be accepted without conceding the point that MUCH biodiversity does NOT come from Darwinian evolution.

261 posted on 07/01/2002 5:05:45 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Map Kernow
No, it just means that their version of ID and Genesis-style creationism are not the same thing. There are people (I've met a few on this site) whose main objection to descent-with-modification is that it implies they're "monkey's uncles", and I want to make sure they understand that B. and D. aren't helping them.
262 posted on 07/01/2002 5:07:17 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: elephantlips
The study of science in all of its aspects was started by Christians and had no problem with God.

Have to tell the shade of Albert Einstein about that, not to mention such as Pythagarous(sic) (who had some wierd notions in spite of his mathmatical prowess. While Galileo was a Christian, the establishment Church of his day took about the same tact with regards to his solar system "theories" as creationists do to evolutionary "theory". Some to the point of refusing to look into his telescope while it was pointed at the Jovian system.

263 posted on 07/01/2002 5:08:00 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: jlogajan
Now the difference between atoms and god is that we know atoms exist

Strictly speaking we don't. They are a theory, one that fits the observations very well, but still only a theory. Once upon a time, not so long ago, they were considered the indivisible smallest part of matter, then a competing or maybe expanded would be a better word, theory came along, to try to explain some new observations, and now we have "atom smashers", not to mention nuclear weapons and powerplants which operate by splitting and/or joining those "irreducible" atoms. As someone else said, science is a journey, or a method if you will, not a destination or a result.

264 posted on 07/01/2002 5:15:26 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Tribune7
Sir, despite your obvious impressive grasp of the English language (just how many freepers scrambled for a dictionary for "inculcate?"), your grasp of science is severely lacking. FYI, science couldn't care less about the supernatural. All christians (or followers of any diety) simply must admit their beliefs are based on the supernatural. With all the miracles, light from dark, women from ribs, floods, talking bushes, reincarnations, virgin birth, talking animals, long lived characters, unexplained phenomena, giants, angels, ghosts (holy or not), demons, devils, insta-healings, prophecies, celestial impossibilities, etc, Creationists cum Intelligent Design Folks have a heckuva (or, shall I say, "plethora?" ; ) of phenomena to explain. Oh, wait, now we venture into the strange realm of FAITH and the discussion ends there. So be it.

Science concerns itself with reality and phenomena that can be observed or tested. Simple as that. Science has pissed off lots of religions over the millenia, dating back far before Jesus walked the earth, and will continue far into the future, beyond the next hundred silly "end time" predictions.

If I were a biology teacher, and I were forced to embarrass myself with this drivel, I would take one class period to say, "God created everything and thats that, turn the page. Allah created everything, turn the page. Ra created everything turn the page. Vishnu created everything turn the page." Once I had everything covered, we'd start studying how "they" did it. And that could take years.

265 posted on 07/01/2002 5:16:27 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: All
It’s pretty simple really:
Intelligent Design or stupid design.
266 posted on 07/01/2002 5:22:38 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: balrog666
Ah, Laphraoig. A particular favorite of Mrs. Gumlegs. I gave her a bottle of the 15 year old stuff for our anniversary. Ambrosia.
267 posted on 07/01/2002 5:30:00 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Virginia-American
No, it just means that their version of ID and Genesis-style creationism are not the same thing. There are people (I've met a few on this site) whose main objection to descent-with-modification is that it implies they're "monkey's uncles", and I want to make sure they understand that B. and D. aren't helping them.

I believe you that there're posters like you've described, but I doubt that ID theory would have much to say to them. And from what I read of Dembski and Behe, the fact that they're both religious believers has not compromised their integrity as scientists or their commitment to the scientific method. As for the rest, as I said, I prefer to let them speak for themselves (I was glad to see BTW that the website you linked, while obviously not sympathetic to either, at least provided links to articles by both men).

268 posted on 07/01/2002 5:30:58 PM PDT by Map Kernow
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To: Gumlegs
Ah, Laphraoig. A particular favorite of Mrs. Gumlegs. I gave her a bottle of the 15 year old stuff for our anniversary. Ambrosia.

Very good stuff - nectar of the gods evos.

269 posted on 07/01/2002 5:34:26 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: jlogajan
Cheap religious theories have gods creating matter out of nothing.

Sounds a bit like the Big Bang, doesn't it? Personally I think God, or the Creator, or whatever you might call Him or Her, designed the laws of phyics such that evolution could and does occur, that life could and does exist and that intelligent life could and did arrise, at least quasi-intelligent anyway, in at least one place in the universe. A strange way to go about it? Sure, from certain perspectives, but then again God works his Wonders in strange ways is pretty much a truism, is it not?

270 posted on 07/01/2002 5:34:44 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: balrog666
Nectar. No matter whose.
271 posted on 07/01/2002 5:38:34 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: whattajoke
FYI, science couldn't care less about the supernatural.

If by "couldn't care less" you mean take it for granted fine. I fear, however, that your position is that those who believe in God should be disquailfied from having their views taken seriously. Note that the scientific method, was conceived by Francis Bacon and Rene Descartes, who were believing Christians.

All christians (or followers of any diety) simply must admit their beliefs are based on the supernatural.

But it is more rational to believe in the supernatural. The odds are 1 to 10^40,000 against there not being a creator. :-)

272 posted on 07/01/2002 5:41:43 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: aculeus
Humans can say whatever they want, God created everything, when we pass on, we will all know the truth.
273 posted on 07/01/2002 5:50:21 PM PDT by exnavy
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To: TightSqueeze
1. Johann Kepler (1571-1630) was the founder of physical astronomy. Kepler wrote "Since we astronomers are priests of the highest God in regard to the book of nature, it befits us to be thoughtful, not of the glory of our minds, but rather, above all else, of the glory of God.

2. Robert Boyle (1627-1691) is credited with being the father of modern chemistry. He also was active in financially supporting the spread of Christianity through missions and Bible translations.

3. Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) was one of the greatest early mathematicians, laid the foundations for hydrostatics, hydrodynamics, differential calculus, and the theory of probability. To him is attributed the famous Wager of Pascal, paraphrased as follows: "How can anyone lose who chooses to be a Christian? If, when he dies, there turns out to be no God and his faith was in vain, he has lost nothing--in fact, has been happier in life than his nonbelieving friends. If, however, there is a God and a heaven and hell, then he has gained heaven and his skeptical friends will have lost everything in hell!"

4. John Ray (1627-1705) was the father of English natural history, considered the greatest zoologist and botanist of his day. He also wrote a book, "The wisdom of God Manifested In The Works of Creation."

5. Nicolaus Steno (1631-1686) was the father of Stratigraphy. He believed that fossils were laid down in the strata as a result of the flood of Noah. He also wrote many theological works and late in his life took up religious orders.

6. William Petty (1623-1687) helped found the science of statistics and the modern study of economics. He was an active defender of the Christian faith and wrote many papers sharing evidence of God's design in nature.

7. Isaac Newton (1642-1727) invented calculus, discovered the law of gravity and the three laws of motion, anticipated the law of energy conservation, developed the particle theory of light propagation, and invented the reflecting telescope. He firmly believed in Jesus Christ as his Savior and the Bible as God's word, and wrote many books on these topics.

8. Carolus Linnaeus (1707-1778) was the father of biological taxonomy. His system of classification is still in use today. One of his main goals in systematizing the varieties of living creatures was an attempt to delineate the original Genesis "kinds." He firmly believed in the Genesis account as literal history.

9. Michael Faraday (1791-1867) was one of the greatest physicists of all time, developed foundational concepts in electricity and magnetism, invented the electrical generator, and made many contributions to the field of chemistry. He was active in the various ministries of his church, both private and public, and had an abiding faith in the Bible and in prayer.

10. Georges Cuvier (1769-1832) was the founder of the science of comparative anatomy and one of the chief architects of paleontology as a separate scientific discipline. He was a firm creationist, participating in some of the important creation/evolution debates of his time.

11. Charles Babbage (1792-1871) was the founder of computer science. He developed information storage and retrieval systems, and used punched cards for instruction sets and data sets in automated industrial controls. He was also a Christian with strong convictions and wrote an important book defending the Bible and miracles.

12. John Dalton (1766-1844) was the father of atomic theory, which revolutionized chemistry. He was an orthodox, Bible-believing Christian.

13. Matthew Maury (1806-1873) was the founder of oceanography. He believed that when Psalm 8:8 in the Bible talked about "paths in the seas," that there must therefore be paths in the seas. He dedicated his life to charting the winds and currents of the Atlantic and was able to confirm that the sea did indeed have paths, just as spoken of in the Bible.

14. James Simpson (1811-1879) discovered chloroform and laid the foundation for anesthesiology. He said his motivation to perform the research leading to this discovery was a fascination in the book of Genesis with Adam's deep sleep during the time in which Eve was fashioned from his side. He said his biggest discovery was finding Jesus Christ as Savior.

15. James Joule (1818-1889) discovered the mechanical equivalent of heat, laying the foundation for the field of thermodynamics. Joule also had a strong Christian faith.

16. Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) was the father of glacial geology and a great paleontologist. He believed in God and in His special creation of every kind of organism. When Darwin's Origin began to gain favor, Agassiz spoke out strongly against it.

17. Gregory Mendel (1822-1884) was the father of genetics. He had strong religious convictions and chose the life of a monk. He was a creationist and rejected Darwins's ideas, even though he was familiar with them.

18. Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) was the father of bacteriology. He established the germ theory of disease. His persistent objections to the theory of spontaneous generation and to Darwinism made him unpopular with the scientific establishment of his day. He was a Christian with extremely strong religious convictions.

19. William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) is considered one of the all-time great physicists. He established thermodynamics on a formal scientific basis, providing a precise statement of the first and second laws of thermodynamics. Lord Kelvin was a strong Christian, opposing both Lyellian uniformitarianism and Darwinian evolution. In 1903, shortly before his death, he made the unequivocal statement that, "With regard to the origin of life, science...positively affirms creative power."

20. Joseph Lister (1827-1912) founded antiseptic surgical methods. Lister's contributions have probably led to more lives being saved through modern medicine than the contributions of any one else except Pasteur. Like Pasteur, Lister was also a Christian and wrote, "I am a believer in the fundamental doctrines of Christianity."

21. Joseph Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) developed a comprehensive theoretical and mathematical framework for electromagnetic field theory. Einstein called Maxwell's contributions "the most profound and most fruitful that physics has experienced since the time of Newton." Maxwell rejected the theory of evolution and wrote that God's command to man to subdue the earth, found in the first chapter of the book of Genesis in the Bible, provided the personal motivation to him for pursuing his scientific work. He acknowledged a personal faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

22. Bernhard Riemann (1826-1866) developed the concept of non-Euclidian geometry, which was used by Einstein in his development of the theory of relativity. Riemann was also a Christian and had hoped to go into the ministry until he got sidetracked by his interest in mathematics. He apparently made several efforts to prove the validity of the book of Genesis using mathematical principles.

23. Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817-1901) was a chemist who developed the use of nitrogen and superphosphate fertilizers for farm crops and co-developed the world's first agricultural experimental station. He thus laid the foundations for the advances in agricultural science which have provided the means for farmers to feed the large populations in the world today. Gilbert is yet another scientist with a strong faith and demonstrated this by signing the Scientist's Declaration, in which he affirmed his faith in the Bible as the Word of God and expressed his disbelief in and opposition to Darwin's theories.

24. Thomas Anderson (1819-1874) was one of the initial workers in the field of organic chemistry, discovering pyridine and other organic bases. Like Gilbert, he also signed the Scientist's Declaration, in which he affirmed his faith in the scientific accuracy of the Bible and the validity of the Christian faith.

25. William Mitchell Ramsay (1851-1939) was among the greatest of all archeologists. He acquired "liberal" theological beliefs during his days as a university student. However, as he began to make various archaeological discoveries in Asia Minor, he began to see that archaeology confirmed the accuracy of the Bible and as a result he became converted to Christianity.

26. John Ambrose Fleming (1849-1945) was the inventor of the Fleming valve which provided the foundation for subsequent advances in electronics. He studied under Maxwell, was a consultant to Thomas Edison, and also for Marconi. He also had very strong Christian beliefs and acted on those beliefs by helping found an organization called the "Evolution Protest Movement." He wrote a major book against the theory of evolution.

27. Werner Von Braun (1912-1977) was the father of space science. He wrote, ."..the vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."

28. Albert Einstein (1879-1955), formulator of the theory of relativity, which is one of the single greatest intellectual accomplishments in the history of man. Einstein was Jewish and thus did not follow in the Christian tradition of Newton or Faraday. He did not believe in a personal God, such as is revealed even in the Jewish Bible. Yet, he was overwhelmed by the order and organization of the universe and believed this demonstrated that there was a Creator.

274 posted on 07/01/2002 5:51:48 PM PDT by razorbak
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To: Heartlander
Interesting site - why not post the article so we can all enjoy it? I liked this part:

If we were to walk through the forest and spy a computer on a stump, most of us would naturally suppose that an intelligent builder designed it--that it did not exist as such by chance.

Hum, but wouldn't that depend on whether we had fossil evidence of very primitive computers (say Apples) that grew more complex as we dug through various levels of the local landfill? And say this fossil record went back for dozens of years and we saw evidence of screens growing smaller with burned in images (in fossilized color!) and motherboards growing more complex but then suddenly simpler as new chip species show up, and power cords attaching to surge protectors and then, finally, the spontaneous development of attached mice. What if we went further back a little more and dug up primitive single transistors? And how would evaluate the tube family and it's obvious connection to the transistor and the few remaining extant CRT's? And what about when we dug back thousand of years and found an abbacus and clay tablets from a primitive accounting system. Would we see the resemblence? Would we recognize the eternal struggle to escape the trash pile as the survival of the fittest? How would such discoveries affect our faith in the great computer designer in the sky?

275 posted on 07/01/2002 5:52:24 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: Tribune7
The odds are 1 to 10^40,000 against there not being a creator

That's not true. The huge odds are against a particular (specifically the 'strawman') model of abiogenesis being true. So that particular model is kaput? How does that rule out any other theory?

276 posted on 07/01/2002 5:52:58 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: razorbak
Show me the list of Bible-Thumpers who advanced science. I agree there were many scientists who were Christian, very few that placed their religion before science though. Who could forget the great theologian that probed the scriptures and pondered the equation of the age, E=mc. Yeah, and I am the one here accused of being a revisionist, right.

14 posted on 7/1/02 8:38 AM Pacific by Tightsqueeze

The post a couple of notches above this one, post 274, was a reply to one of the inane comments made by "Tightsqueeze" on the first page of this thread.

277 posted on 07/01/2002 5:57:32 PM PDT by razorbak
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To: balrog666
The point, of just that one comparison, is that life is extremely more complex than computers. Computers are merely a tool from our own intelligence (they cannot reproduce and require input from man). The question still remains though; did our intelligence come from stupidity?
278 posted on 07/01/2002 6:00:21 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Virginia-American
Of course, it's true.

The huge odds are against a particular (specifically the 'strawman') model of abiogenesis being true.

It was considered CW when Hoyle released his calculation.

How does that rule out any other theory?

Put another theory on the table.

279 posted on 07/01/2002 6:02:33 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: whattajoke
With all the miracles, light from dark, women from ribs, floods, talking bushes, reincarnations, virgin birth, talking animals, long lived characters, unexplained phenomena, giants, angels, ghosts (holy or not), demons, devils, insta-healings, prophecies, celestial impossibilities, etc, Creationists cum Intelligent Design Folks have a heckuva (or, shall I say, "plethora?" ; ) of phenomena to explain.

The sum total of such things in the bible is probably under 100. Evolution on the other hand requires an endless sequence of probabilistic miracles. You could devise a new religion by taking the single stupidest doctrine from each of the existing religions and even that would make sense compared to evolution.

280 posted on 07/01/2002 6:05:43 PM PDT by medved
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