Constitutional Question for Legal Freepers

Free Republic | June 30, 2002 | The Raven

[rwfromkansas]

See this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/fo cus/news/709959/posts

[The Raven]

but wasn't Thomas Jefferson the founder of the public University of Virginia.

But he didn't force all children in VA to go to it. The problem with public schools is - if you're stuck in a bad one - what on earth do you do? The liberal answer was bussing (take all of the bad students somewhere else) and now is either more money, fereralize it, or do-nothing (I'm not sure anymore).

The colleges are an example on the macro level (public and private) of what can be achieved on the micro level.

[The Raven]

As more and more of our country's employees and builings are federalized, do we all become part of Congress? Will public housing prevent hanging religious pictures on the public wall because of judicial incrementalism? Does socialism require following orders? Is the Pope Catholic?

Just like in the old USSR - people will ignore the law.

[The Raven]

[max61]

Under a Christian fundamentalist Libertarian hegemony, our historic American rights of local self-government would repressed by force. Fortunately for our country, the members of that anarchist cult lack the intelligence and competence to accomplish its loathsome goals.

Pfft. You psuedo-responses are yet more proof this planet lacks intelligent life.

If you part of the problem, you are not part of the solution.

---max

[Roscoe]

Under a Christian fundamentalist hegemony, our historic American rights of local self-government would repressed by force.

America, founded upon and developed from Christian principles and institutions, has given birth to a diverse system of individual liberty and local self-governing communities without parallel in human history.

Libertarians, like their leftist comrades, are devout practioners of the art of the Big Lie.

[tpaine]

Roscoe, like his leftist comrades, is a devout practioner of the art of the Big Lie.

[Roscoe]

Christianity gave birth to America, Libertarianism gave birth to tpaine.

Judging by their respective fruits...

[tpaine]

Cute.


But vapid.

[afuturegovernor]

Point well taken

[tpaine]

BTW roscoe, in one sense your comment here is right:

"Christianity gave birth to America "

The repression of some sorts of Christians by others, certainly DID give birth to early colonies, -- and to a determination to END such violations of individual rights.
-- But you repressive statists are always among us, fighting to control the beliefs & 'morals' of your peers.
We must honor the consitution, dispite your efforts.

[Roscoe]

The repression of some sorts of Christians by others,

It's the liberals and their Libertarian comrades who are cheerleading the use federal power for the purpose of repressing free speech.

[tpaine]

BTW roscoe, in one sense your comment here is right:

"Christianity gave birth to America "

The repression of some sorts of Christians by others, certainly DID give birth to early colonies, -- and to a determination to END such violations of individual rights.

-- But you repressive statists are always among us, fighting to control the beliefs & 'morals' of your peers.
We must honor the consitution, dispite your efforts.

111 posted by tpaine

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It's the liberals and their Libertarian comrades who are cheerleading the use federal power for the purpose of repressing free speech.
112 - roscoe

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So you falsely claim, over & over & over, -- roscoes 'big lie'.
Give it up, you sound demented, -- and are, imo.

[Roscoe]

So you falsely claim

Did you miss the threads and the articles where Libertarians were cheering themselves hoarse over force being initiated to prevent local public schools from having voluntary recitations of the Pledge?

[tpaine]

Yes. -- Because. -- There are no such threads.
You have serious delusions about what libertarians 'cheer'. - Get help.

[mississippi red-neck]

I'm of the opinion that most schools can easily do without the 5% or 6% of their budget that originates from the federal "education" budget.

This is what is sad. Most people don't know how very little of a state's school budget is supplied by the federal government. They think that the schools are mostly funded by the federal government, which is what the federal government wants them to think. They give so very little, yet exert massive control for it, and guess where they get that small amount they contribute from? They also think we've had a Department of Education forever, when in reality we got during the Carter administration. We've seen which direction the schools have gone since then. We're really gullible.

[Kay Soze]

Bump

[Kay Soze]

First, I Appreciate this thread.

Second KC that’s a great post!

If a court rules that you must say the pledge ( with”Under God” included) the 1st Amendment is violated. And if the courts rule we cannot say it the 1st Amendment is violated.

The Founders were trying to achieve a status quo between Church and state relationships.

The 9th Circus has now ‘established’ the Universal Church of Life with its ruling.

[The Raven]

>>but are the teachers required to lead their classrooms in the pledge?

That gets back to the "separation of teachers and government" Teachers are ceratinly thrice removed from legislators and certainly do NOT teach in lockstep with George Bush [By not leading with the pledge, they are certainly not in line with the Republican Party. ]. Rather, their problem is the majority of teachers teach in lockstep with the NEA and the Democratic party. But, I'll bet we have the same situation in private schools and universities.

Which brings up another perplexing problem. Conflict of interest. Teachers paychecks are tied to government [here in Tennessee, we just had public demonstrations for and against new taxes. Guess which side the teachers were on?]. Politicians can "buy votes" by promising income transfers from "the rich." Teachers can organize aand influence the Democratic party [how many were delegates in 2000?]

Points to ponder?