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To: Tailgunner Joe; Carry_Okie; backhoe; AuntB; Jeff Head; BOBTHENAILER; forester; ...
Joe, thanks for posting this reality of the enviral nazis who hate America and we Americans who dare to live and exist in their earth. The Deep Ecologists would kill every human except their elite.

This is from the article that you posted:

The eight point platform of Deep Ecology can be summarized as follows: - All life (human and non-human) has equal value. - Resource consumption above what is needed to supply "vital" human needs is immoral. - Human population must be reduced. - Western civilization must radically change present economic, technological, and ideological structures. - Believers have an obligation to try to implement the necessary changes.

Then throw into this mix the vile organizations like PETA, ALF, ELF and the Anarchists who live and operate in the Oregon cities of Eugene and Portland, and you have more dangerous terrorists to our safety than the al Qaeda thugs.

Hopefully, Carry Okie will add his expert knowledge about the Deep Ecology Thugs/Terrorists and haters of all Americans except themselves.

In closing lets just repeat this part of the scary message/belief system of the Deep Ecology thugs/terrorists:

Human population must be reduced. - Western civilization must radically change present economic, technological, and ideological structures. - Believers have an obligation to try to implement the necessary changes.

Anybody have any questions to what these Deep Ecology thugs/terrorists have planned you, your family and our country. Any conservative who belongs to any main line enviral group or a radical group is not a conservative. He/she/it is more dangerous than these Deep Ecology thugs/terrorists!

10 posted on 06/29/2002 7:48:04 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Once again, your words of wisdom are right on. I'm computer challenged or I would post it myself, but check out Newsmax.

They have an article entitled Pope Chastises "Enviro" Globalists, that is beautiful and one more arrow in our quiver to be used to pierce the heart of the Enviro movement.

12 posted on 06/29/2002 8:29:18 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: Grampa Dave
The most extreme proponents of isolating humans from nature are the so-called “deep ecologists.” These people urge that humans adopt a “biocentric” per-spective (as opposed to an anthropocentric, or human-centered view-point). The purported goal of biocentricism is to incorporate all of nature into one’s perspective, to identify with all ecosystems in nature as one’s personal interest. Sadly, deep ecologists seem incapable of expressing that perspective themselves. The first three tenets of Deep Ecology, as articulated by Arne Naess and George Sessions, dialectically separate humans from nature, rendering a biocentric perspective, an impossible paradox:
  1. All life has value in itself, independent of its usefulness to humans.
  2. Richness and diversity contribute to life’s well-being and have value in themselves.
  3. Humans have no right to reduce this richness and diversity except to satisfy vital needs in a responsible way.

The principles of Deep Ecology (there are 8) fall afoul of several constraints. First, (as they constantly remind us) humans already are an interconnected part of nature, competing for our individual benefit in our own manner as a species. Second, “Richness and diversity” are perceptions of value, important only to humans (near monoculture is a common phenomena in nature). Third, the idea that humans are responsible for maintaining a status quo among populations of existing species as a matter of “rights” is imposing a human set of values onto the results of mortal competition among species. It is a denial of dynamic equilibrium in natural selection and antithetical to the cyclical ebb and flow of populations of predators and prey.

If humans are so inherently destructive that they must be separated from nature, how could it be possible for humans to have a biocentric view? There would certainly be no hands-on opportunity to learn one. Although that might save having to expend a lot of physical effort, how would it help?

Further, these same people believe that nature is so robust and so rugged that it is fully capable of recovery without intervention, but that it is too fragile to survive our attempts to help. To decide not to take action because of the view that nature will somehow “know better” what to do, is just as much a projection of human impressions onto nature, as is the conclusion that the situation demands the investment of time and money. There is no mechanism in the process of natural selection, that implies volition on the part of nature, much less prospective reversibility.

On the other hand, humans DO exhibit prospective volition. However, if we adhere to this perspective of doing nothing, what good is preventive intervention? How would we learn to exercise it effectively and benevolently? How would we learn to reduce the impact of urban technology if we did not interact? Such a process bias toward inaction precludes even the significant probability of constructive errors.

A biocentric perspective also presumes that humans are capable of anything other than human perception. If one is busily experiencing a totality, from what perspective does one notice that?

If humans cannot assume this pan-perspective, and are operating under the belief that they are inherently destructive, then why would they consider the effort to learn it of any redeeming value? Would that choice not also be corrupted by human desire? Why, then, act to prevent action?

Any humans action in a competitive system results in harm to something. Deep ecologists would feel distraught at the loss and guilty of the failure to prevent it. Thus, to actively seek collective dominance over people they disdain, politically forcing others into mandated inaction in order to protect themselves from risk to their personal feelings, is not only anthropocentric; it is an egocentric view.

Perhaps that is why it seems to be so popular!

Source
21 posted on 06/29/2002 9:26:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Grampa Dave
Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

26 posted on 06/29/2002 11:31:33 AM PDT by blackie
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