Posted on 06/28/2002 1:53:03 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Dick Gephardt's appalled. Tom Daschle's chagrined. Congress, in general, is at wit's end.
It's time for us to do something, they say. WorldCom. Enron. Global Crossing. Enough.
Here's what I say: not so fast. Before you start policing other peoples' books, police your own.
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Yep...before too long, Charlottesville and Richmond are gonna be all-but-connected and FUMA's smack dab in the middle. It's still beautiful countryside, though.
"Btw, I was in A Company, with Lee Atwater. He was class of '68, I think. Any y'all remember Lee?"
Mr. Atwater was one of my true heroes, 68. In fact, I believe his death had more to do with the failure of Bush, Sr.'s campaign in '92 that even the abandonment of the "Read My Lips" pledge. The loss of Lee Atwater was almost as much of a loss to conservatism as Reagan's loss of his mental faculties, IMHO. I sense not enough conservatives recognize how valuable Lee was.
FReegards...MUD
FReegards...MUD
If I can make it up there, it'll be with my daughter (Jessica) as it's right in the middle of Jake's nap. Really does sound like fun, though...I just got back from a fundraiser for my Congressman, Eric Cantor, and me and jla got to talk to him for a good 30 minutes. Sounds like some of the Congressman are chomping at the bit to introduce some more conservative legislation than Dubyuh's allowing just now. Cantor impressed me this evening.
FReegards...MUD
As a former Federal employee, I sure remember the Grace Commission Report. Just saying those words around a bureaucRAT would give 'em the shakin' willies!
BTW where in the heck is Landru??
Big fan of Lee Atwater. I think off him whenever I eat at "Red, Hot, and Blues." (Which, try!)
Another great man who died too young.
That's what's ridiculous, all the Grace Report requested was a modernization into something that was accountable for the money it was allocated and henceforth SQUANDERED!! BureaucRATS are a sorry bunch if efficiency and accountability are such an anathema to them!!
As fer Landru....ain't seen the ol' codger in weeks. He's probably up to something, and if I know Landru, it's something quite disturbing.
Met jla and Congressman Cantor this evening and both appeared to be good folks...we musta talked to Cantor for a half-hour, and he strikes me as more conservative than George Allen, but he couldda been playin' to his audience...LOL!!
Hope that injury's healed up quick, ol' man, you and me gotta talk shop...MUD
Yep...all politicians could do well by learning a bit of his tactics and his inner fire. Right's gotta be willing to go to the mat fer their beliefs...Atwater was.
FReegards...MUD
Not only that, he passionately believed that he was Right, and the Federal Government had become more of an impediment than a solution in dealing with life's trials and tribulations. That's pretty cool, did you know him well?
FReegards...MUD
Well, I knew Cantor was OK; it was jla I was worried about! LOL
You and me both...MUD
Medium well. I wasn't one of his tight bro's, but I was often in the group which he'd serenade. Even then he was pretty good on a guitar, and had incredible rock and roll recall. Fun guy to be around. I believe FUMA has dedicated a new hall to him.
And Mud, I don't know if you seen him, but Eric Cantor's dad was there...his name's Eddie.
Ah yes, I remember the outrage well. Lasted an entire 24-hour news cycle...
bayourod in bold
"...focus only on the question of whether Bill Clinton should be brought to trial. This was the great question when Nixon resigned and Ford pardoned him because he didn't think the nation should be put through the ordeal of a trial of Mr. Nixon."
First off, Nixon was never accused of committing a criminal offense vis a vis Watergate. Ford pardoned him, but there was never an actual law broken...I would argue that Clinton has committed multiple felonies that, if prosecuted, would have him in jail until the day he passed on to his Final Judgement.
"Some of the considerations should be:
1. How serious was the offense? Was it a technical violation such as comingling union contributions in hard money accounts; or was it a universally recognized crime such as murder of a potential witness?"
While I seriously believe Clinton has most likely conspired to have folks murdered, I've yet to see the concrete evidence; still, just because he's an ex-POTUS, should he be allowed to get away with rampant Abuse of Power, blatant Obstruction of Justice and Perjury, and making a mockery of our existing Campaign Finance Laws? I say no.
"2. What was the impact of the crime on the nation? Was the impact negligible like pardoning someone for going AWOL during World War II; or does the crime threaten the very existence of the country, such as selling China the secrets enabling them to destroy every major city in the nation?"
As the highest-ranking member of the Executive Branch, IMHO Clinton's crimes have done major damage to the legitimacy of our government, and thereby the "very existence of the country." How can a Blatant Abuser of Our Laws be allowed to go Living--Absolutely Unpunished and ARROGANTLY UNASHAMED--in a Land that claims that NO MAN IS ABOVE THE LAW?! Explain that to the teenager imprisoned for smoking a weed in his basement.
"3. How strong is the evidence? Is it circumstantial, relying on the testimony of dubious witnesses; or is there incontrovertable physical evidence such as video recordings and records written in Bill's hand?"
The arrogance Clinton has displayed in committing multiple felonies has resulted in a carelessness that will bear fruit in any SERIOUS investigation of his crimes. There are many, many people within his sphere of influence who know where the skeletons are buried, and they have likewise committed crimes in his service. As these underlings are brought to Justice and plead out, they will provide valuable testimony linking Clinton to any number of crimes that you and I may never even been aware of. And Clinton has been extremely sloppy in leaving documented proof of his guilt to be readily discovered by hungry RELENTLESS investigators.
"4. Was the offense committed as an official act, such as selling seats on trade missions, or was it entirely separate from official duties, such as rape?"
SHEEESH, my FRiend, I cannot believe you actually believe this is a consideration. We are a Nation of Laws, and if those laws are legitimate enough to prosecute you or me for, why not some hayseed from Arkansas?
"5. Would prosecution cause bitter division among Americans because the offense is one that people hold strongly held opposite opinions on, such as lying about having sex because that's what gentlemen are taught to do; or one that everyone is in agreement on, such as using FBI files to blackmail elected officials?"
Once again, if folks are going to argue that the Laws are invalid, how come we don't see an uprising calling for said laws to be revoked, so that you and I cannot be held accountable for them, just like the ex-Most Powerful Man in the FReeWorld?!
"6. How would prosecution effect future policy. Would it create a public outcry for campaign finance reform that would result in destruction of our First Amendment rights and turn the government over to liberal Democrats? Would it appear to Democrat voters as petty vindictiveness on the part of Republicans that would result in such a backlash that Democrat Senators would be forced to reject confirmation of pro-life judges?"
Here, my FRiend, you are arguing political strategy. Fair enough, as that seems to be most FReepers' argument against holding the ex-First Felon accountable for his many crimes against this Nation. My response is that this is a very important time in our Country's history, as we are deciding whether or not We the Sheeple will sit idly by and allow Rampant Corruption to go on at the highest echelons of the Federal Guv'ment, and do absolutely NOTHING!! SHEEESH... Clinton's not a frickin' KING...he's no different than you or I!! Are LeftWing DemonRATS going to actually argue that a corrupt ex-POTUS should be allowed to get away with committing multiple felonies? If so, are the Sheeple going to go along meekly and support those same hopelessly-corrupt individuals in the next election? If so, we've already lost this Country, and we should readily expect to go the way of the once-great Roman Empire.
"Now to answer your question. I believe we elected a President who is of extremely high moral character who loves this country and is trying as hard as he can to do what he sincerely believes is best for our nation. I believe that he chose an honest, conscientious, competent Attorney General. I have complete confidence in their judgment and will support whatever decisions that they make."
Here, my FRiend, we are in complete agreement...however, I believe Dubyuh and Ashcroft need to hear from folks who "sincerely believe [what] is best for our nation" is that the Guilty--no matter how Powerful or allegedly popular--are brought to Justice!! Are we a Nation of Laws? Or are certain folks in this Country ABOVE the Laws that govern and restrict the rest of us?
As for J.W., whatever...you may question their motivation as you see fit, but at least they seem to be trying to do something about the Injustice that is the Clinton Administration. That's more than I seem to be seeing from the Department of Justice these days.
Seriously, my fellow FReepers, am I just a Right-Wing Whacko for expecting the Laws of this Nation to apply to ALL Americans...even those who once held office at the highest echelons of our Federal Guv'ment?!
FReegards...MUD
1 Posted on 07/14/2001 23:39:12 PDT by Mudboy Slim (Justice Fer All!!)
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